CONFIMRED - Blackman to Derby

[Nameless]

Have u recently suffered some sort of brain trauma?

Anything that might cause u to forget all the other terrible business we have done over the years?

The £2.5m loan fee matches are transfer fee record. Vast majority of our stupid spends were when we were in teh PL, and had a modest budget to spend. Remember we had to sell a player to borrow Vydra, he wasn't bought from tv money.

For the £2.5m spent on the massive flop Fae, we still managed to recover some of that when we sold him on, we will get ZERO financial compensation when Vydra moves on. It will be most the highest ever difference between incoming/outcoming fees.
It's quite likely he's right up there as one of Reading's highest ever paid players.

And he's on course for 4 league goals for the season (at a rate of 2 per half season). Absolutely dire.

If this was Hammond's doing he should tender his resignation.
If it was driven through by the Thais, then I fear for the financial security of this club.

This matches the most hysterically ove reactive piece of posting in HNA history !
On the one hand people accuse the club of lacking ambition and on the other when they bring in a player of genuine quality to the club some see that as bad business. In hindsight Vydra may not be as influential as everyone expected him to be, although if Blackman can get 13 goals in half a season there is every chance Vydra can match that.
And clearly the deal would have been at Clarke's instigation so why Hammond or the Thai's need take any blame is not really obvious. If he chose to put almost all his transfer budget into the deal because he saw Vydra as the quality player that he could build his team around that is probably not too ridiculous a call when he made it. If he failed to get his marquee player to perform that looks like a management issue, not a financial one.

[P!ssed Off]

Have u recently suffered some sort of brain trauma?

Anything that might cause u to forget all the other terrible business we have done over the years?

The £2.5m loan fee matches are transfer fee record. Vast majority of our stupid spends were when we were in teh PL, and had a modest budget to spend. Remember we had to sell a player to borrow Vydra, he wasn't bought from tv money.

For the £2.5m spent on the massive flop Fae, we still managed to recover some of that when we sold him on, we will get ZERO financial compensation when Vydra moves on. It will be most the highest ever difference between incoming/outcoming fees.
It's quite likely he's right up there as one of Reading's highest ever paid players.

And he's on course for 4 league goals for the season (at a rate of 2 per half season). Absolutely dire.

If this was Hammond's doing he should tender his resignation.
If it was driven through by the Thais, then I fear for the financial security of this club.

This matches the most hysterically ove reactive piece of posting in HNA history !
On the one hand people accuse the club of lacking ambition and on the other when they bring in a player of genuine quality to the club some see that as bad business. In hindsight Vydra may not be as influential as everyone expected him to be, although if Blackman can get 13 goals in half a season there is every chance Vydra can match that.
And clearly the deal would have been at Clarke's instigation so why Hammond or the Thai's need take any blame is not really obvious. If he chose to put almost all his transfer budget into the deal because he saw Vydra as the quality player that he could build his team around that is probably not too ridiculous a call when he made it. If he failed to get his marquee player to perform that looks like a management issue, not a financial one.

If your manager wants to build a team around a loan player then you've oxf*rd up in hiring him in the first place.

The success of the transfer hinged on Reading winning promotion.
Anything other than that and it's millions of pounds down the drain.
A completely stupid gamble.
FFS even the player's agent said it was a shit deal for us.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Against a very good Hartlepool side

Who was he supposed to play against?

Came close 3 times
Rated well

It was against a league two side, let's not big him up as someone we shouldn't have sold, just yet...

He can only play the team in front of him

Just commenting on his debut

[melonhead]

One player doesn't make a team (unless he's Gylfi) and there's plenty of reason to believe our team will function as well or better with someone other than Blackman playing. Even if no individual steps up or comes in to contribute as much individually in goal terms.

Simple fact is the last few games under McDermott he's played right wing and done virtually nothing. McCleary will do that job better in all likelihood. We still have options upfront who've shown promise, if not fully delivered yet.

Whilst Vydra hasn't set the world alight here you'd have to be clueless to think he's looked terrible. And he's got far better pedigree at this level than Blackman's 10 good games, Mostly from a position we're looking unlikely to use.

Running about a lot: 10/10
Scoring goals: 1/10

Terrible form.
On course to be the worst piece of business in Reading history.

Take some doing to beat the Antonio debacle.

The one where he wasnt very good and demanded to be in 1St team

and slowly became better after he left so that many years later hes decent enough to have been a 1St team regular.like Cox.

By that rationale we just keep every player ever,

[JimmytheJim]

Reading fans are such oxf*rd.

[Winston Smith]

Have u recently suffered some sort of brain trauma?

Anything that might cause u to forget all the other terrible business we have done over the years?

The £2.5m loan fee matches are transfer fee record. Vast majority of our stupid spends were when we were in the PL and had a modest budget to spend. Remember we had to sell a player to borrow Vydra, he wasn't bought from tv money.

For the £2.5m spent on the massive flop Fae, we still managed to recover some of that when we sold him on, we will get ZERO financial compensation when Vydra moves on. It will be most the highest ever difference between incoming/outcoming fees.
It's quite likely he's right up there as one of Reading's highest ever paid players, by wage, as well.

And he's on course for 4 league goals for the season (at a rate of 2 per half season). Absolutely dire.

If this was Hammond's doing he should tender his resignation.
If it was driven through by the Thais, then I fear for the financial security of this club.

[Ian Royal]

PO in rabid overreaction shocker. The man's more full of bile than a thousand livers.

[SpaceCruiser]

Remember we had to sell a player to borrow Vydra, he wasn't bought from tv money.

Who was that then? Forgive me, I can't remember selling anyone. Unless you mean Pogrebnyak?

[P!ssed Off]

Remember we had to sell a player to borrow Vydra, he wasn't bought from tv money.

Who was that then? Forgive me, I can't remember selling anyone. Unless you mean Pogrebnyak?

Michael Hector: Sold September 1st.
Matej Vydra: Borrowed September 1st.

Did you think the Thais paid for Vydra out of their own pocket?

And yes, Hector was sold for good money. It's just that the majority of that money was pissed straight up the wall.

[P!ssed Off]

PO in rabid overreaction shocker. The man's more full of bile than a thousand livers.

Which part in particular do you disagree with?

[SpaceCruiser]

Did you think the Thais paid for Vydra out of their own pocket?

No, I genuinely couldn't remember and couldn't be arsed to go and check it for myself. Thanks.

[sandman]

PO in rabid overreaction shocker. The man's more full of bile than a thousand livers.

Don't agree with everything but he actually makes some good points but you can't see it and you certainly don't want to debate because, much like the other posters who consider themselves "sensible", like Vydra and hate being wrong.

The proof will of course be at the end of the season, if Vydra suddenly starts scoring every week, gets us into and win the play offs then the move will have been a success if not then PO will have been ultimately have been right. Hopefully he will be wrong and Reading and Vydra will both be in the PL next season.

However, if he is right then I won't expect to see yourself and the likes of Hoop Blah and Nameless admit you're in the wrong because you never do.

[SCIAG]

Have u recently suffered some sort of brain trauma?

Anything that might cause u to forget all the other terrible business we have done over the years?

<snip>
For the £2.5m spent on the massive flop Fae, we still managed to recover some of that when we sold him on, we will get ZERO financial compensation when Vydra moves on. It will the highest ever difference between incoming/outcoming fees.
It's quite likely he's right up there as one of Reading's highest ever paid players, by wage, as well.

And he's on course for 4 league goals for the season (at a rate of 2 per half season). Absolutely dire.</snip>

Well reasoned. Pedant mode, we'll probably make a similar loss on Gunter.

More importantly, he's only played 14 matches - that's a third of a season, not half.

Most importantly, extrapolations are dangerous things at the best of times, and in complex affairs like sport they rarely prove true.

I feel Vydra's been doing OK recently, except for missing a few important chances. He creates a lot of goalscoring opportunities. We could have got better value for him, but I think he constitutes a better signing than, say, Asaba or McIntyre. I'd also prefer to pay £2.5m for a good player who leaves on a free after a year than on a player who doesn't contribute much to the team but leaves for a small profit.

If this was Hammond's doing he should tender his resignation.
If it was driven through by the Thais, then I fear for the financial security of this club.

This, on the other hand, is a dramatic overreaction.

[P!ssed Off]

Have u recently suffered some sort of brain trauma?

Anything that might cause u to forget all the other terrible business we have done over the years?

<snip>
For the £2.5m spent on the massive flop Fae, we still managed to recover some of that when we sold him on, we will get ZERO financial compensation when Vydra moves on. It will the highest ever difference between incoming/outcoming fees.
It's quite likely he's right up there as one of Reading's highest ever paid players, by wage, as well.

And he's on course for 4 league goals for the season (at a rate of 2 per half season). Absolutely dire.</snip>

Well reasoned. Pedant mode, we'll probably make a similar loss on Gunter.

More importantly, he's only played 14 matches - that's a third of a season, not half.

Most importantly, extrapolations are dangerous things at the best of times, and in complex affairs like sport they rarely prove true.

I feel Vydra's been doing OK recently, except for missing a few important chances. He creates a lot of goalscoring opportunities. We could have got better value for him, but I think he constitutes a better signing than, say, Asaba or McIntyre. I'd also prefer to pay £2.5m for a good player who leaves on a free after a year than on a player who doesn't contribute much to the team but leaves for a small profit.

If this was Hammond's doing he should tender his resignation.
If it was driven through by the Thais, then I fear for the financial security of this club.

This, on the other hand, is a dramatic overreaction.

He's actually played 17 league games, this season. Unless you're doing a Strap and sub appearances don't count .

Anyway, that's by-the-by. We're 25 games into a 46 game season. Just over half a season. And during that half season he's scored 2 goals.
If you want to make the assumption that's he's going to play all of the next 22 games then fine he's on course for 4.4706 goals this season (2 + 2/17*21). Rounded to the nearest figure? 4.

And is it really an overreaction to worry about our financial security given this irresponsible spending? They've cashed in on club assets to gamble £2.5m on winning promotion over the course of a single season. Who is to say they will not do the same thing next season?

[Ian Royal]

PO in rabid overreaction shocker. The man's more full of bile than a thousand livers.

Which part in particular do you disagree with?

All of it

[Dr_Hfuhruhurr]

This is such a good transfer for everybody involved that Im surprised its even up for debate.
One of the main bonuses of the transfer is that we dont really have to replace him like for like - Its not like the Pearce and Federici transfers last year. Its just basically free money to spend on a defender or a Goalkeeper if we so wish.

i would just guess that Vydra will take over Blackman's role, with HRK taking over Vydra's. Then we still have Macleary, Piazon and Quinn - we'll be alright without Blackman. (We might start looking at strikers when Sa eventually leaves, I reckon).

[RG7Fan]

This is such a good transfer for everybody involved that Im surprised its even up for debate.
One of the main bonuses of the transfer is that we dont really have to replace him like for like - Its not like the Pearce and Federici transfers last year. Its just basically free money to spend on a defender or a Goalkeeper if we so wish.

i would just guess that Vydra will take over Blackman's role, with HRK taking over Vydra's. Then we still have Macleary, Piazon and Quinn - we'll be alright without Blackman. (We might start looking at strikers when Sa eventually leaves, I reckon).

Thats a fairpoint, do we need a replacement? Added to the list above we have Ola John (when fit again), Liburd, and Samuel could be recalled at the end of the month if necessary. The money could be spent on a CB and / or GK.

[No Fixed Abode]

We scored twice today, so did we miss him?

Isn't this a fixture you won last season with Blackman in the team and scoring the winning goal?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30608402

[AthleticoSpizz]

Yes, didn't "you" lose to a division one team last year.......things change

[Extended-Phenotype]

Just to make a wee rational point, regardless of whether Vydra has or will work out, it's not like we threw silly money at an unknown quantity.

We paid a large loan fee on a proven player in the hope of finding the missing piece of the puzzle, challenge for promotion and secure the player permanently.

Sometimes it just doesn't work out and sadly a player of Vyrda's quality has not performing as expected.

I don't think he's been awful though and there is every chance he may still come good. But whatever happens I don't see it as a crazy signing at all.