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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by winchester_royal » 15 Mar 2013 11:20

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AirRaidSiren We haven't even given AZ a real chance to show what he has to offer for oxf*rd sake.

This is really the truth. The people who are on Anton's case about this are people who think owner=money. That's what many people seemed to think about Sir John. I actually like Anton. I like the fact that when we're rubbish he's slumped way back in his seat looking like he's about to burst into tears, and when we occasionally do something brilliant he's up on his feet pumping his fists. I'd like to see people extend the same generosity to Anton that they do to McDermott. He's a new, young, inexperienced guy trying to figure out what makes this work. So if his dad's money is behind it, so be it. Anton's the one in the firing line and learning how to make the big decisions. He's not just a dollar sign. I feel that people who say the soul of the club has gone want to treat the manager and especially the fans as human beings while treating the owner as a bank account. To me that's just as much lack of soul.



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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by Ian Royal » 15 Mar 2013 18:37

mr_number If I could be bothered, I'm sure I could find a post from you (this is just guesswork, but we all think the same, so not meant to be having a go at you) pointing out how useless our defence is, so you would have be to be super-optmistic to go for 0-0. It's easy with hindsight to say the option we went with was shite, but most of the options were shite. Not sure which one I would have taken. Maybe some kind of formation that looked amusing when viewed on that bit where they show the teams at the start of coverage, just so that there was some enjoyment to be had.

With the right midfield we cut back on the number of goals we conceeded significantly. Faint hope, but some hope.

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by Ian Royal » 15 Mar 2013 18:39

Hoop Blah In a bizarre twist of fate I'm agreeing with brendy's last couple of posts!

Me too.

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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by Denver Royal » 15 Mar 2013 19:29

Sir Alex Ferguson finds Reading's decision to axe Brian McDermott perplexing in the extreme.

"I never understand football," said Ferguson. "If they had done it in December or January maybe I would have understood it because he could have brought players in.

"Brian McDermott has done a good job given the outlay. He spent something like £1.2million and got in £7.4million and got them promoted to the Premier League.

"He was manager of the month in January - I hope I am not manager of the month this month."

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by Divvy » 15 Mar 2013 19:40

McDermott hasn't been sacked. He's just taken a new guise, otherwise known as Eamonn Dolan. Business as usual this weekend. ED consulted BM for team selection advice, and Guthrie suddenly doesn't travel with a knee injury...


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by sandman » 15 Mar 2013 19:43

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by Royalclapper » 15 Mar 2013 19:45

Denver Royal Sir Alex Ferguson finds Reading's decision to axe Brian McDermott perplexing in the extreme.

"I never understand football," said Ferguson. "If they had done it in December or January maybe I would have understood it because he could have brought players in.

"Brian McDermott has done a good job given the outlay. He spent something like £1.2million and got in £7.4million and got them promoted to the Premier League.

"He was manager of the month in January - I hope I am not manager of the month this month."


Fergie always speaks out when managers get the sack in what often seems like controversial circumstances, kind of like an unofficial shop steward for them.

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by Man Friday » 15 Mar 2013 21:16

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AirRaidSiren We haven't even given AZ a real chance to show what he has to offer for oxf*rd sake.

This is really the truth. The people who are on Anton's case about this are people who think owner=money. That's what many people seemed to think about Sir John. I actually like Anton. I like the fact that when we're rubbish he's slumped way back in his seat looking like he's about to burst into tears, and when we occasionally do something brilliant he's up on his feet pumping his fists. I'd like to see people extend the same generosity to Anton that they do to McDermott. He's a new, young, inexperienced guy trying to figure out what makes this work. So if his dad's money is behind it, so be it. Anton's the one in the firing line and learning how to make the big decisions. He's not just a dollar sign. I feel that people who say the soul of the club has gone want to treat the manager and especially the fans as human beings while treating the owner as a bank account. To me that's just as much lack of soul.

Twisted logic.
:lol: at attempting to garner sympathy for the mega rich Russian who, like the owners of Blackburn, Chelsea, et al, has bought the club as a plaything or ego boost but has refused to back the manager financially in any meaningful way. Any idiot could see that we had no hope of staying up by spending £10m. It's a miracle we've amassed 20 points with the amount of money we were prepared to spend.

The talk is getting tiresome. It's all speculation. I hope I'm wrong about what I fear about the running of this club under the new owners. If we're anything higher than 12th place in the Championship by the end of the 2013/14 season I'll come back on here and say I was wrong.

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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by Esteban » 15 Mar 2013 21:26

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winchester_royal Some people would rather say 'I told you so' than see the team do well.

The club's 'soul' has gone?! Fcuk off, we sacked a manager who was doing badly, we've done that plenty of times before and we'll do it plenty of times in the future. Some may call the decision a little harsh, and that's fair, but it's not even close to being a 'soul' destroying move. :lol:



i love mcdermott, and am still slightly hurt at his sacking.
but i 100% agree with that post


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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by Esteban » 15 Mar 2013 21:41

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AirRaidSiren We haven't even given AZ a real chance to show what he has to offer for oxf*rd sake.

This is really the truth. The people who are on Anton's case about this are people who think owner=money. That's what many people seemed to think about Sir John. I actually like Anton. I like the fact that when we're rubbish he's slumped way back in his seat looking like he's about to burst into tears, and when we occasionally do something brilliant he's up on his feet pumping his fists. I'd like to see people extend the same generosity to Anton that they do to McDermott. He's a new, young, inexperienced guy trying to figure out what makes this work. So if his dad's money is behind it, so be it. Anton's the one in the firing line and learning how to make the big decisions. He's not just a dollar sign. I feel that people who say the soul of the club has gone want to treat the manager and especially the fans as human beings while treating the owner as a bank account. To me that's just as much lack of soul.

Twisted logic.
:lol: at attempting to garner sympathy for the mega rich Russian who, like the owners of Blackburn, Chelsea, et al, has bought the club as a plaything or ego boost but has refused to back the manager financially in any meaningful way. Any idiot could see that we had no hope of staying up by spending £10m. It's a miracle we've amassed 20 points with the amount of money we were prepared to spend.

The talk is getting tiresome. It's all speculation. I hope I'm wrong about what I fear about the running of this club under the new owners. If we're anything higher than 12th place in the Championship by the end of the 2013/14 season I'll come back on here and say I was wrong.


It's way too early to be calling us Anton's play thing and we still don't know how much McDermott was given. I'm a huge fan of McDermott and I'm gutted he's gone, but money aside, his tactics were failing him every week. The PL has moved on at pace since we were last in it and the 'Reading way' can't cut it

It's the performances and results against our closest relegation rivals that have cost us this season and as much as I love McDermott, it's really difficult to defend that.

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by RoyallyFcuked » 16 Mar 2013 02:37

LOL at the cry babies whining about the fans that were booing, it happens at every ground in the country when things aren't going well, get over it. We lose most weeks because not only are we are not good enough, but we also don't even play as well as we can or the way that we should. That alone is frustrating enough, so its hardly surprising that some fans feel the need to make their feelings know. That is because they are the ones paying the money to watch, and if your team is playing terribly every week due a tactically inept manager and it is horrendous to watch you have every right to feel aggrieved. (By the way I genuinely did not boo us myself and never have or will, but you can certainly understand the point they are making)

Just because these fans don't want to suffer in silence, you have a go at them. If everyone of our fans did that, then the manager and players would think that the display they had put on was acceptable, and they wouldnt need much of an improvement, which clearly wasn't the case. You could even call them the real fans, the ones who care most about Reading FC and dont want to see it go back down with whimper. If all our fans had stood and applauded at the final whistle of the Wigan and Villa home games, rather than booed, then the team/manager wouldn't have a clue that we all thought the performance was woeful, and they would carry on it doing it (they already seem to anyway). I do think the sarcastic applauding and even the majority of the booing, was directed at McDermott (rightly so) and not the players. Example - the majority of the fans were not booing Leigertwood. They were booing the decision to start him every week when its quite obvious he shouldnt be starting any longer, therefore booing the manager. Then appluading Guthrie as he came on as if to say "wheeeyyyyy, you're finally letting him play".

We know its not the players fault that the most of them are not good enough for this level, and you usually cant fault them for lack of effort (except the Wigan game and a bit in some other games) However, McDermott could certainly have been doing more to improve things. His constant persistence with the same shit tactics, the same distinctly average favourites, the same clueless team selections, decisions and substitutions, and the same woeful style of football, is the biggest reason we are going down. Not playing Pearce, not playing Guthrie due to pathetic little tiffs that, judging from his interviews (which I might add, have been another laughing stock of the season) we are the type of club that wouldn't hold any grudges over and they would be forgotten about, or at the least not allowed to get in the way of issues on the pitch. But apparently not. Some of the post match interviews have been just hilarious, with the ready made excuses, the nerve to say we competed and played well when we rarely did, and of course the bullshit examples of us punching well above our weight, and about us being better off than we were 2-3 years ago. Don't even get me started on all the reasons why he should not be saying that and why it is completely wrong.

Lets face it, every game we have won this season, we probably deserved to lose (with the exception of Sunderland at home). The same goes for the majority, if not all of the games we have drawn, and it was very similar last season. When we actually play well, we often look like scoring. This is usually at the end of games when the players realise they need to try and get something and pull their finger out, and also abandon McDs tactics. And, we actually convert quite a good percentage of the few chances we create. That for me tells us something good about some of our players, but it mostly tells us that the problem is the way the manager was setting the team up to play. Fair play to the sets of fans that wanted to tell him they are not prepared to put up with it any longer. And neither it seems, was our owner.

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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by Cripple Creek » 16 Mar 2013 04:41

I just read all of that and it strikes me as a perfectly reasonable post and well put. Personally, I still think the timing of the sacking was a bit unfathomable but I take RoyallyFcukked's point.

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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by AirRaidSiren » 16 Mar 2013 09:02

RoyallyFcuked LOL at the cry babies whining about the fans that were booing, it happens at every ground in the country when things aren't going well, get over it. We lose most weeks because not only are we are not good enough, but we also don't even play as well as we can or the way that we should. That alone is frustrating enough, so its hardly surprising that some fans feel the need to make their feelings know. That is because they are the ones paying the money to watch, and if your team is playing terribly every week due a tactically inept manager and it is horrendous to watch you have every right to feel aggrieved. (By the way I genuinely did not boo us myself and never have or will, but you can certainly understand the point they are making)

Just because these fans don't want to suffer in silence, you have a go at them. If everyone of our fans did that, then the manager and players would think that the display they had put on was acceptable, and they wouldnt need much of an improvement, which clearly wasn't the case. You could even call them the real fans, the ones who care most about Reading FC and dont want to see it go back down with whimper. If all our fans had stood and applauded at the final whistle of the Wigan and Villa home games, rather than booed, then the team/manager wouldn't have a clue that we all thought the performance was woeful, and they would carry on it doing it (they already seem to anyway). I do think the sarcastic applauding and even the majority of the booing, was directed at McDermott (rightly so) and not the players. Example - the majority of the fans were not booing Leigertwood. They were booing the decision to start him every week when its quite obvious he shouldnt be starting any longer, therefore booing the manager. Then appluading Guthrie as he came on as if to say "wheeeyyyyy, you're finally letting him play".

We know its not the players fault that the most of them are not good enough for this level, and you usually cant fault them for lack of effort (except the Wigan game and a bit in some other games) However, McDermott could certainly have been doing more to improve things. His constant persistence with the same shit tactics, the same distinctly average favourites, the same clueless team selections, decisions and substitutions, and the same woeful style of football, is the biggest reason we are going down. Not playing Pearce, not playing Guthrie due to pathetic little tiffs that, judging from his interviews (which I might add, have been another laughing stock of the season) we are the type of club that wouldn't hold any grudges over and they would be forgotten about, or at the least not allowed to get in the way of issues on the pitch. But apparently not. Some of the post match interviews have been just hilarious, with the ready made excuses, the nerve to say we competed and played well when we rarely did, and of course the bullshit examples of us punching well above our weight, and about us being better off than we were 2-3 years ago. Don't even get me started on all the reasons why he should not be saying that and why it is completely wrong.

Lets face it, every game we have won this season, we probably deserved to lose (with the exception of Sunderland at home). The same goes for the majority, if not all of the games we have drawn, and it was very similar last season. When we actually play well, we often look like scoring. This is usually at the end of games when the players realise they need to try and get something and pull their finger out, and also abandon McDs tactics. And, we actually convert quite a good percentage of the few chances we create. That for me tells us something good about some of our players, but it mostly tells us that the problem is the way the manager was setting the team up to play. Fair play to the sets of fans that wanted to tell him they are not prepared to put up with it any longer. And neither it seems, was our owner.


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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by Eaststandman » 16 Mar 2013 09:33

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RoyallyFcuked LOL at the cry babies whining about the fans that were booing, it happens at every ground in the country when things aren't going well, get over it. We lose most weeks because not only are we are not good enough, but we also don't even play as well as we can or the way that we should. That alone is frustrating enough, so its hardly surprising that some fans feel the need to make their feelings know. That is because they are the ones paying the money to watch, and if your team is playing terribly every week due a tactically inept manager and it is horrendous to watch you have every right to feel aggrieved. (By the way I genuinely did not boo us myself and never have or will, but you can certainly understand the point they are making)

Just because these fans don't want to suffer in silence, you have a go at them. If everyone of our fans did that, then the manager and players would think that the display they had put on was acceptable, and they wouldnt need much of an improvement, which clearly wasn't the case. You could even call them the real fans, the ones who care most about Reading FC and dont want to see it go back down with whimper. If all our fans had stood and applauded at the final whistle of the Wigan and Villa home games, rather than booed, then the team/manager wouldn't have a clue that we all thought the performance was woeful, and they would carry on it doing it (they already seem to anyway). I do think the sarcastic applauding and even the majority of the booing, was directed at McDermott (rightly so) and not the players. Example - the majority of the fans were not booing Leigertwood. They were booing the decision to start him every week when its quite obvious he shouldnt be starting any longer, therefore booing the manager. Then appluading Guthrie as he came on as if to say "wheeeyyyyy, you're finally letting him play".

We know its not the players fault that the most of them are not good enough for this level, and you usually cant fault them for lack of effort (except the Wigan game and a bit in some other games) However, McDermott could certainly have been doing more to improve things. His constant persistence with the same shit tactics, the same distinctly average favourites, the same clueless team selections, decisions and substitutions, and the same woeful style of football, is the biggest reason we are going down. Not playing Pearce, not playing Guthrie due to pathetic little tiffs that, judging from his interviews (which I might add, have been another laughing stock of the season) we are the type of club that wouldn't hold any grudges over and they would be forgotten about, or at the least not allowed to get in the way of issues on the pitch. But apparently not. Some of the post match interviews have been just hilarious, with the ready made excuses, the nerve to say we competed and played well when we rarely did, and of course the bullshit examples of us punching well above our weight, and about us being better off than we were 2-3 years ago. Don't even get me started on all the reasons why he should not be saying that and why it is completely wrong.

Lets face it, every game we have won this season, we probably deserved to lose (with the exception of Sunderland at home). The same goes for the majority, if not all of the games we have drawn, and it was very similar last season. When we actually play well, we often look like scoring. This is usually at the end of games when the players realise they need to try and get something and pull their finger out, and also abandon McDs tactics. And, we actually convert quite a good percentage of the few chances we create. That for me tells us something good about some of our players, but it mostly tells us that the problem is the way the manager was setting the team up to play. Fair play to the sets of fans that wanted to tell him they are not prepared to put up with it any longer. And neither it seems, was our owner.


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Good post


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by royalp-we » 16 Mar 2013 09:50

^ lol what a cnut


Good post RoyallyFcuked

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by Royal Lady » 16 Mar 2013 10:01

I still think the club could have treated his leaving a little more respectfully. Another "has left the club by mutual consent" a la Rodgers would have been far more fitting than a "sacking" after everything McD has done for us imo. In fact, had it been "by mutual consent" I doubt there would be so much hand wringing on here. We all knew his time was limited, given this is a results business, but we have no replacement lined up, there is constant specul8ion as to who will be coming in, therefore, and this merely unsettles the team further in my view.

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by Divvy » 16 Mar 2013 11:17

Royal Lady We all knew his time was limited, given this is a results business, but we have no replacement lined up, there is constant specul8ion as to who will be coming in, therefore, and this merely unsettles the team further in my view.


Agreed, however I think it's fully accepted now that we will be relegated. The four point gap now, two games in a row that we realistically have zero chance of winning, and in the meantime the gap could become even bigger. It's too much, and we aren't going to suddenly win five of the remaining fixtures. And even if we did, it may still not be enough. The club may as well take their time to get this next appointment right. If it drags on another two weeks then I would suggest we are looking at someone still in work (Poyet), otherwise I fully expect someone like Adkins to be appointed before we play Southampton - and what a first game for him!

The season in all intents and purposes is over for us, so taking some time to get the right man in is a good thing in my opinion. He gets what's left of the season to assess the squad, a full pre-season, and additional time to identify new players and have us ready for what will be a massive season for us next season. Whoever comes in, they have to get it right at the first time of asking. Anton has already told Football Focus that he would expect an instant return if the worst did happen! That being the case, I expect considerable investment this summer as well.

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by Royal Lady » 16 Mar 2013 11:37

^^ well I hope the players don't read that - they won't even BOTHER trying if you've written them off already. Do you think Bradford City players thought they had a hope in hell of reaching the finals of the League Cup before a ball was kicked this season? You've got to have a bit of hope FFS. I'm sure, realistically speaking, that we have an uphill struggle to get out of this mire this season, but stranger things have happened and we could just nick a point at either Utd or Arsenal (or both, or better than that). Maybe the players will up for these next two games, maybe our opponents won't be taking these games seriously, maybe we'll get a penalty and Rooney will be sent off - who knows - but don't write us off just yet!!

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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by Divvy » 16 Mar 2013 11:47

Just being realistic.

- 9 games left and 4 points behind
- Next two games are losses
- 7 games left, 21 to play for, and could well be 7 points behind (or worse)

Can we make up the deficit and more? It would take a sudden and unexpected change of form to do so, and this squad doesn't have it in them, and deep down most of us know that.

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Re: MCDERMOTT SACKED

by Lower West » 16 Mar 2013 12:48

Divvy Can we make up the deficit and more? It would take a sudden and unexpected change of form to do so, and this squad doesn't have it in them, and deep down most of us know that.


Harry Houdini is the biggest worry. As seems to pulling the impossible out of the bag. Would like him to come to Reading. Closer to his south coast home as well.

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