Back From The Game - Leeds

[brendywendy]

two sides cancelled themselves out in the shit first half- totally changed when kebe came on. even the crowd perked up. though even as a constant fan i have to agree its a massive turn around from the no good pub team player he was once thought as.
bit unfair on mcanuff some of the bad marks hes got- thought he was our only attacking threat 1st half, created quite alot, captaincy seemed to get a little extra out of him. then kebe came on and no-one passed to mcanuff any more-not really his fault.
fed-good-much improved recently
griffin superb
kish and pearce >>>>>>>mills and kish
long should have scored again.
nhunt disappointing
church wasted
liegertwood - leggy
karacan-still effective even when hes not on his game

[Snowball]

6 months does not a prolific goalscorer make.

No, but 14 months, there's a pattern emerging

Kebe's first goal of this "brief" (cough) run was 29th September 2009, FOURTEEN months ago
and in that 14 months, over two different seasons, he has scored 16 goals.


2660 Minutes last season
1302 Minutes this season

2962 Minutes for 16 goals, a goal every 185 minutes, spread over 14 Months


Now DO explain what you mean by, "6 months does not a prolific goalscorer make"

[Ian Royal]

That 10 of Kebe's 18 Reading goals came in 20 of his 108 appearances between 16 January and 2 May 2010.

He started this season well too, but he's hardly a winger you could describe as a prolific goalscorer. Certainly not on the basis of 4 months (sorry I was wrong about it being 6) and a good start to this season.

[Negative_Jeff]

Church is utterly wasted wide. His strength is his movement and ability to find space through the middle. And if you ping enough chances his way, sooner or later he'll shin one in by accident even if he's having a poor finishing day.

HRK had very little final product but at least he was in games. Antonio is completely raw and I'm not convinced he knows what he's doing, but he does create things. Both are better options wide than Church...

When we only have three strikers we can't play all of them from the start, especially with one on the wing. It gives us only wingers to bring on if we're chasing the game and need to score. And lets face it, none of those wingers are exactly prolific goalscorers.

I wouldn`t say Church played "wide" in fact in the first half we set up very narrow and virtually played without wingers at all. Whatever, I agree that Church did not play well. With the introduction of Kebe and Antonio as genuine wide players Leeds were stretched and we got behind the back line enough times but failed to convert again. Some on here think Antonio is worth a start. I agree and would like to see him up front off the last defender, although he`s not the brightest and it might keep the linesman busy.

[Platypuss]

Worst "highlights" ever on Football League show - just 2 incidents shown.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

Thought Leeds support was fantastic today. They showed our pathetic support up and left me envious. I stood there in Y26 while Leeds sang "we are the champions, champions of europe"

That had the hallmarks of a good song.

Apart from the small point that they have never been Champions of Europe.

[Snowball]

:| That 10 of Kebe's 18 Reading goals came in 20 of his 108 appearances between 16 January and 2 May 2010.

He started this season well too, but he's hardly a winger you could describe as a prolific goalscorer. Certainly not on the basis of 4 months (sorry I was wrong about it being 6) and a good start to this season.

12 goals one season, and on target for twelve in the next is not exactly bad, Midge

[RoyalBlue]

Worst "highlights" ever on Football League show - just 2 incidents shown.

Agreed. There were far more highlights they could have shown.

Guess we will have to wait for Sky to pick up on Zurabs backheel pass behind his standing leg to totally wrongfoot a closing striker. Then there was a great point when Kebe produced a magical run, jinking inside a defender on his way into the area. The defender just spread his arms in what appeared a gesture of disbelief, as if to say, where did he go?!

Have to say Kebe was at his absolute best with his pacey, jinking runs yesterday. Would have roasted defenders at any level. Will we keep him come January or will tarmac Madejski flog him off to fill another hole?!

[Snowball]

Have to say Kebe was at his absolute best with his pacey, jinking runs yesterday. Would have roasted defenders at any level. Will we keep him come January or will tarmac Madejski flog him off to fill another hole?!

Kebbs was fantastic

I usually sit in the West Stand so he's far off in the corner

Was in the North stand and got to see him close up and he was brilliant.

Frankly, can't see us holding on to him if he does that three more times before January

[Ian Royal]

:| That 10 of Kebe's 18 Reading goals came in 20 of his 108 appearances between 16 January and 2 May 2010.

He started this season well too, but he's hardly a winger you could describe as a prolific goalscorer. Certainly not on the basis of 4 months (sorry I was wrong about it being 6) and a good start to this season.

12 goals one season, and on target for twelve in the next is not exactly bad, Midge

Who said it was bad? I don't care what he's on for this season. He hasn't done it yet. He could get 500 or 0 it doesn't change his scoring record now.

I think you might need to check the definition of prolific, try this, option number two seems best. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prolific

Just to help you: 87 (25) 18 or 1 in 6.2 (or 1 in 4.83 starts) is not prolific. It's really not difficult to understand.

[Snowball]

Who said it was bad? I don't care what he's on for this season. He hasn't done it yet. He could get 500 or 0 it doesn't change his scoring record now.

I think you might need to check the definition of prolific, try this, option number two seems best. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prolific

Just to help you: 87 (25) 18 or 1 in 6.2 (or 1 in 4.83 starts) is not prolific. It's really not difficult to understand.

You are such a burke. How can you possibly compare the old Kebe with the new?

Only a true moron would do that.

The most blinkered fan knows that McDermott changed the way Kebe played and has turned an erratic "Bambi" into a 5 Million pound player.

To judge Kebe over his whole career is truly trying to distort what any normal non-radio-listening fan can see with his own eyes.

I judge the McDermott Kebe.

[Ian Royal]

[Basingstoke Royal]

and the only "miss' was Hunt making it too easy for their keeper

Was it? So what about Khizanishvili's free header in the first half?

Oh right. Forgot that one. So Hunt and Kish. Any more?

Long missed a tap in at the far post and showed about as much control as Ann widdicombe when he was clean through on goal.

[Wimb]

God leave Long alone, there's hardly anyone slagging off Church or Hunt ffs. As much as I don't think Long's the answer and I don't think Snowball should defend him quite as strongly as he does, he does have a point that the sniping is all a bit much and scapegoatish.

However while I'll defend you there Snowball you're point about Kebe would seemingly contradict your Long based stats defence as you arbitrarily pick out a sample size and call it the 'McD factor' Brian has clearly had an impact on the player but Kebe should be judged over his whole career as he was fairly automatic under both Coppell and Rodgers.

[Snowball]

God leave Long alone, there's hardly anyone slagging off Church or Hunt ffs. As much as I don't think Long's the answer and I don't think Snowball should defend him quite as strongly as he does, he does have a point that the sniping is all a bit much and scapegoatish.

Precisely. And I believe it feeds back and affects the team.

[Victor Meldrew]

God leave Long alone, there's hardly anyone slagging off Church or Hunt ffs. As much as I don't think Long's the answer and I don't think Snowball should defend him quite as strongly as he does, he does have a point that the sniping is all a bit much and scapegoatish.

However while I'll defend you there Snowball you're point about Kebe would seemingly contradict your Long based stats defence as you arbitrarily pick out a sample size and call it the 'McD factor' Brian has clearly had an impact on the player but Kebe should be judged over his whole career as he was fairly automatic under both Coppell and Rodgers.

And of course he was bought as a Premiership player so he really should thrive at this level whereas Shane came as a travelling companion for Doyle therefore what he has achieved is way beyong expectations.
We fans however are more concerned that we have a balanced organised eleven out there every week and at the moment with 3 so-called strikers starting games the shape is no good.

[Snowball]

(Your) point about Kebe would seemingly contradict your Long based stats defence as you arbitrarily pick out a sample size and call it the 'McD factor' Brian has clearly had an impact on the player but Kebe should be judged over his whole career as he was fairly automatic under both Coppell and Rodgers.

I find this totally amazing. I could probably go find 50-100 posts that talk of Kebe as a "totally different player" under McDermott.

He has been told to play differently. He has been infused with confidence.

(and incidentally he was 26 Years 6 months and two weeks old at the start of the season (entering his peak 2-4 years)

I don't think it's selective in any way to suggest that Kebe be judged on 2009-10 and 2010-11.
That is precisely what the clubs that are scouting him are doing.

Second, using the McDermott factor is perfectly reasonable.
It is hardly an "abitrary sample size" Managers change teams, managers change tactics, managers change individuals.

[Snowball]

We fans however are more concerned that we have a balanced organised eleven out there every week and at the moment with 3 so-called strikers starting games the shape is no good.

For that blame the manager.

We played about 15 games of 451 with just Long up there and how many different Gylfi stand-ins to try and replace the unreplaceable. A few times, losing badly we took a punt late on at 442 and threw everything at the opposition and won games. We played 442 at Bristol and had 12 shots on target

Now we've played 3-4-5 games trying to get Long-Hunt and Church playing. There have been a few moments where the three-way-combo has looked good, but what there ISN'T is a striking partnership that can settle down, get to know each other and polish the pairing.


IMO (and it's just an opinion) the benefits we would gate from fixing ourselves as a classic 442 (at least at home) would far outweigh any possible lack of numbers in midfield. It's time to stop experimenting and settle on a pattern. 442 with (probably) Long-Hunt or 4-5-1 (4411) with Hunt the deeper striker

[Victor Meldrew]

God leave Long alone, there's hardly anyone slagging off Church or Hunt ffs. As much as I don't think Long's the answer and I don't think Snowball should defend him quite as strongly as he does, he does have a point that the sniping is all a bit much and scapegoatish.

Precisely. And I believe it feeds back and affects the team.

So it's OUR fault now that Shane doesn't score-get real.
If they take notice of what a few fans on a website have to say they really ought to be doing another job.

[Wimb]

(Your) point about Kebe would seemingly contradict your Long based stats defence as you arbitrarily pick out a sample size and call it the 'McD factor' Brian has clearly had an impact on the player but Kebe should be judged over his whole career as he was fairly automatic under both Coppell and Rodgers.

I find this totally amazing. I could probably go find 50-100 posts that talk of Kebe as a "totally different player" under McDermott.

He has been told to play differently. He has been infused with confidence.

(and incidentally he was 26 Years 6 months and two weeks old at the start of the season (entering his peak 2-4 years)

I don't think it's selective in any way to suggest that Kebe be judged on 2009-10 and 2010-11.
That is precisely what the clubs that are scouting him are doing.

Second, using the McDermott factor is perfectly reasonable.
It is hardly an "abitrary sample size" Managers change teams, managers change tactics, managers change individuals.

Which would be fine if you didn't also slag off CMONURZ for in the Long thread for criticising Long's scoring rate from open play over the last two seasons and slamming that as 'deliberately picking out a sample size to suit your agenda'