Danny Guthrie - Refusing To Travel

[Maguire]

"Do one" must be the most overused term used on this board.

That's the swear filter for you

[Horsham Royal]

My head's not right after reading some of the crap on here tonight - think I'll refuse to travel to the office tomorrow

[ManchesterRoyals]

My head's not right after reading some of the crap on here tonight - think I'll refuse to travel to the office tomorrow

Your Fired

[winchester_royal]

'Manager's gone out on a limb'

F*ck off Tim, it's not like we dragged him off the street

We made promises to coax him from a very comfy role at Newcastle, and now his career is going down the pan.

Both sides have to saddle the blame.

[SPARTA]

My head's not right after reading some of the crap on here tonight - think I'll refuse to travel to the office tomorrow

Your Fired

You're fired.

[PistolPete]

Not supporting Guthrie refusing to travel - but he has been very poorly treated indeed. In Guthrie's position we'd all been tearing our hair out.

Why he was rubbish when he was playing. What has he done so far to deserve to be first choice. He needed to come off the bench and prove how good he could be - not to refuse to travel.

He was not rubbish.

But the point is moot. Seems you see our players as little more than contracted slaves. Guthrie has been frozen out for voicing an opinion, and then sat watching from the bench as we get totally over-run in midfield. Add to that a couple of good performances against Stoke and Chelsea (he only started four games in total) and there hasn't been much reason not to consider playing Guthrie.

To be signed and then told you won't be picked because your natural game is wrong for the club must have been gutting for him.

I've no doubt he has trained but feels he just won't get a chance under McDermott. Awful man management.

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[Esteban]

Why does Pearce have a right to complain, but Guthrie not?

Fair point. That's not quite what I meant to say. Guthrie has a right to complain, but there are ways and means to do it. Pearce and Guthrie both have a valid reason to feel hard done by, but the point I was trying to make was that you don't hear about Pearce complaining. He also has the added complexity of a contract negotiation ongoing, which must be very unsettling. Pearce may well be on at Brian every single day, but he's never once put anything about it in the public domain. Gripes go up, not down.

There is more than one way to get on in life, but I'm not in the camp of bitching, whining and telling the whole world that your boss is a big, fat, meany.

This debate will polarise opinion on here, so just imagine what it's doing to the squad. And when you are fighting relegation, that's a distraction you don't need. I'm backing Brian at the moment, but I'm not following him in blind faith. He's made mistakes, picked some strange sides, seems determined to continue with 442 when it's clearly not working for him. But I do think that, taking everything into account, he's been hung out to dry somewhat and Zingarevich is right to support him. You can roll a turd in glitter, but it doesn't make it a diamond. This squad was always going to struggle in the PL, so he was starting way behind everyone else. I think that should be taken into consideration when judging him.

[ManchesterRoyals]

To be honest Guthrie is well out of order but BM hasnt handled the whole thing very well

All i want is Reading to do well and BM to pick his best team and it just hasnt happened

[Big Ern]

Guthrie should be sold in January after this, regardless of our plight. Those hailing him as the saviour need to realise he is an average Prem player that not many wanted when his contract at Newcastle was up.

We won't and shouldn;t know what has gone on in the past, but he should act like a professional especially when he is on 35K a week. A sad state of affairs for the club.

[Millsy]

Guthrie - F**K OFF

How anyone in their right mind can blame the manager in any way is beyond me. How many tens of players has Brian successfully managed without the slightest problem? If a player is a bad egg he's a bad egg and Danny guthrie is piece of s**t as a player and even worse as a person.

Most of us have to work very hard for our livings earning less in a year than he does in a week and its partly our hard earned cash that pays his wages. Hs behaviour is totally and utterly unacceptable given he is a professional paid a salary to do a job. Even a thick footballer must know that managers have a squad and if you're rubbish you'll be benched.

People are saying tsh we need to focus on our troubles and not on Guthrie but as far as I'm concerned Brian got us where we are through building an unprecedented team spirit and togetherness. That has fallen apart this season and that is clearly to me one of the biggest reasons for our poor form. And who do we think is the cause of it?

I'm sorry but there is no blame here for Brian, much as Brian-haters will love to use this against him. If a player is a twerp, he's a twerp and Danny Guthrie is a twerp.

Goodbye Danny.

[Scutterbucketz]

Enjoyed Dellors comments about taking Guthrie down the local canal with concrete boots. Harsh but fair. Fukk Danny Guthrie!

We all laughed about the lobster story and I doubt any of us actually believed at the time it was indicative of the type of person he is, but clearly there's no smoke without fire. The mans a pcunt and we should hang him out to dry. Stop his wages immediately until he grovels like fukk and begs to be part of the team. And then tell him to fukk off because he's shite and play Gunnarsson instead, just for the LOLs.

[under the tin]

The thing that strikes me is that there have been issues with this player for a long time.
We can all wax lyrical about the need for a game changer, and no game was more in need of one than at St. Mary's

BUT

Would anyone, as an employer, put someone in a position of importance, who gave the impression that they were , mentally, *in the wrong place*

FWIW, I think that Brian has sussed him out.
Get this f/uckwit out of my football club asap please. I'd rather the club gave £35000 a week to Marie Curie.

[winchester_royal]

Guthrie - F**K OFF

How anyone in their right mind can blame the manager in any way is beyond me. How many tens of players has Brian successfully managed without the slightest problem? If a player is a bad egg he's a bad egg and Danny guthrie is piece of s**t as a player and even worse as a person.

Most of us have to work very hard for our livings earning less in a year than he does in a week and its partly our hard earned cash that pays his wages. Hs behaviour is totally and utterly unacceptable given he is a professional paid a salary to do a job. Even a thick footballer must know that managers have a squad and if you're rubbish you'll be benched.

People are saying tsh we need to focus on our troubles and not on Guthrie but as far as I'm concerned Brian got us where we are through building an unprecedented team spirit and togetherness. That has fallen apart this season and that is clearly to me one of the biggest reasons for our poor form. And who do we think is the cause of it?

I'm sorry but there is no blame here for Brian, much as Brian-haters will love to use this against him. If a player is a twerp, he's a twerp and Danny Guthrie is a twerp.

Goodbye Danny.

rofl

Refusing to travel all the way up to Sunderland just to sit on a freezing cold bench for 2 hours makes him a piece of shit person?

Stroppy/emotional yes, but at the end of the day McDermott has given him absolutely no reason to be loyal to either him or the club.

And before you start wailing about 30k a week..Guthrie had a number of offers similar to that. He was promised career progression when he moved, and now can't even get off the bench to replace Leigertwood or Tabb when 1 down at Southampton. The guy's professional like is going down the drain, and I imagine being told he was being snubbed for them again was the final straw.

He will rightly get fined a week's wages or two..but at the end of the day anyone expecting footballers to act like emotionless machines are fking moronic.

[Esteban]

To be honest Guthrie is well out of order but BM hasnt handled the whole thing very well

All i want is Reading to do well and BM to pick his best team and it just hasnt happened

But Guthrie was starting games, not playing particularly well, the team wasn't winning and he got dropped. Guthrie then threw his toys out of the pram.

The question is, is it right to then start playing Guthrie after an episode like that? What sort of message does that give to the rest of the squad? I'm with you and everyone else on this board who is a Reading fan, I want to see the best players we have, playing week in week out and getting results for the club. But at what cost do you make that decision? To give an example, Cummings was damn near sold a season or two ago, yet he came back in due to injuries, got his head down and made the shirt his own. For me, that's the attitude you should reward, not Guthrie's. It's a very difficult decision to make, but on balance, I think I would rather McDermott left Guthrie out, if that's his reaction to not playing, in order promote a much healthier attitude amongst the rest of the squad.

I can understand the other side of the argument though, even though I wholeheartedly disagree with it.

[Maguire]

Refusing to travel all the way up to Sunderland just to sit on a freezing cold bench for 2 hours makes him a piece of shit person?

BOO HOO IT'S HIS oxf*rd JOB

at the end of the day McDermott has given him absolutely no reason to be loyal to either him or the club.

THEY PAY HIS oxf*rd WAGES!

I hate my job but I don't just decide not to log on one morning because I feel like my bosses aren't supporting me [they're not]

Guys an idiot, get shot of him.

[Maguire]

Refusing to travel all the way up to Sunderland just to sit on a freezing cold bench for 2 hours makes him a piece of shit person?

BOO HOO IT'S HIS oxf*rd JOB

at the end of the day McDermott has given him absolutely no reason to be loyal to either him or the club.

THEY PAY HIS oxf*rd WAGES!

I hate my job but I don't just decide not to log on one morning because I feel like my bosses aren't supporting me [they're not]

Guys an idiot, get shot of him.

[paultheroyal]

More worried that this just gives us another Tabb/ Ledge midfield for Monday!

[Platypuss]

I can't believe people on here are backing Guthrie over Brian McDermott and Reading Football Club.

Your head's not right? Stop acting thecunt, get on the damn bus and start earning your wages. Guthrie can absolutely do one as far i'm concerned.

^This x100

[ManchesterRoyals]

To be honest Guthrie is well out of order but BM hasnt handled the whole thing very well

All i want is Reading to do well and BM to pick his best team and it just hasnt happened

But Guthrie was starting games, not playing particularly well, the team wasn't winning and he got dropped. Guthrie then threw his toys out of the pram.

The question is, is it right to then start playing Guthrie after an episode like that? What sort of message does that give to the rest of the squad? I'm with you and everyone else on this board who is a Reading fan, I want to see the best players we have, playing week in week out and getting results for the club. But at what cost do you make that decision? To give an example, Cummings was damn near sold a season or two ago, yet he came back in due to injuries, got his head down and made the shirt his own. For me, that's the attitude you should reward, not Guthrie's. It's a very difficult decision to make, but on balance, I think I would rather McDermott left Guthrie out, if that's his reaction to not playing, in order promote a much healthier attitude amongst the rest of the squad.

I can understand the other side of the argument though, even though I wholeheartedly disagree with it.

I can see it fom both sides but just think how guthrie feels if he cant even get in the starting team

[Davezk]

Is it too much to ask for a player to be professional and respect his employers?

I'm pretty sure we all tow the line and respect what our employers want us to do? Why can't this overpaid prima-dona (sp.?) do the same?

Regardless of how he is being treated, he shouldn't be above the rules of his manager.