Which was the worst relegation and why?

Which was the worst relegation?

1971
5
4%
1977
2
2%
1983
1
1%
1988
2
2%
1998
26
20%
2008
74
57%
2013
19
15%
 
Total votes: 129
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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by Ouroboros » 02 May 2013 14:27

West Stand Man I suspect that you can tell how new most of the fan base is from the weight of opinion in favour of the more recent relegations. No one who experienced 71 would be voting in favour of the 21st century options.


< 42 years is not "new" :roll:

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by West Stand Man » 02 May 2013 14:31

Ouroboros
West Stand Man I suspect that you can tell how new most of the fan base is from the weight of opinion in favour of the more recent relegations. No one who experienced 71 would be voting in favour of the 21st century options.


< 42 years is not "new" :roll:


And are you most of the fan base, or just one rep of it? :roll:

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by Ouroboros » 02 May 2013 14:33

You've missed the point.

That's a less-than sign.

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by P!ssed Off » 02 May 2013 15:02

West Stand Man I suspect that you can tell how new most of the fan base is from the weight of opinion in favour of the more recent relegations. No one who experienced 71 would be voting in favour of the 21st century options.


New to 'supporting Reading' or new to 'life'?
In order to properly experience and remember a football season 42 years ago you'd probably have to be 50 plus now.
I would guess that the over-50's do not make up a massive proportion of hobnob, though it would be interesting to know the age demographics of the board.

Anyway, on behalf of all current Reading fans under the age of 42, apologies for not supporting the club pre-existence.

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by West Stand Man » 02 May 2013 15:07

Ouroboros You've missed the point.

That's a less-than sign.



I have certainly missed the point then. If 'less than 42' is not new that rather implies that 'more than 42' isnew. That logic fails me I am afraid!


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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by winchester_royal » 02 May 2013 15:12

West Stand Man
Ouroboros You've missed the point.

That's a less-than sign.



I have certainly missed the point then. If 'less than 42' is not new that rather implies that 'more than 42' isnew. That logic fails me I am afraid!


Errrr, nope. He's saying that < 42 =/= new. Nowhere does he suggest/imply that there is not a subset of < 42 that does = new, just that the entire group cannot be called new.

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by Ouroboros » 02 May 2013 15:19

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Ouroboros You've missed the point.

That's a less-than sign.



I have certainly missed the point then. If 'less than 42' is not new that rather implies that 'more than 42' isnew. That logic fails me I am afraid!


Errrr, nope. He's saying that < 42 =/= new. Nowhere does he suggest/imply that there is not a subset of < 42 that does = new, just that the entire group cannot be called new.


That's the one.

Calling someone who is, say, 46, and has gone to every game since they were 5 a "new" fan seems a bit perverse.

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by West Stand Man » 02 May 2013 15:25

Ouroboros
That's the one.

Calling someone who is, say, 46, and has gone to every game since they were 5 a "new" fan seems a bit perverse.


In which case I refer my learned friend to my comment above. You are not most fans, and neither is the set of fans who have followed the club for 41 ish years most fans. Thus, my assertion stands as originally posted, the fact that the most recent relegations are getting most votes tends to show that the fan base is relatively new and that they did not experience the 71 relegation. If you came along in 72 you also missed it, which only adds to my case that no one who experienced it would vote for another option!

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by winchester_royal » 02 May 2013 15:31

'Relatively' new compared to those around in 1971 - fair enough

Saying the entire fanbase is mostly new because they weren't around in 1971 - Not fair enough.

IMO anyone who has supported the club since the turn of the millennium sure as hell can't be called 'new'.


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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by P!ssed Off » 02 May 2013 15:35

West Stand Man
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That's the one.

Calling someone who is, say, 46, and has gone to every game since they were 5 a "new" fan seems a bit perverse.


In which case I refer my learned friend to my comment above. You are not most fans, and neither is the set of fans who have followed the club for 41 ish years most fans. Thus, my assertion stands as originally posted, the fact that the most recent relegations are getting most votes tends to show that the fan base is relatively new and that they did not experience the 71 relegation. If you came along in 72 you also missed it, which only adds to my case that no one who experienced it would vote for another option!


hobnob poll =/= reading fan base, or even a proportional demographic of it.
Most people who went to see Reading in 1971 are probably either dead, too old to be hanging around on internet forums or too young to actually properly remember the relegation, or just can't remember 42 years ago very well.

Are you suggesting that if 10% of reading fans are over 80 then 10% of hobnob members are over 80.

Of my three family members who supported Reading in 1971, one is dead and the other two do not go on internet forums.

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by Fox Talbot » 02 May 2013 20:08

FWIW I experienced 1971 and voted for 2013 as the worst.

There were some bloody good games in 70/71 and an exciting finish to the season.

And the miracle of winger John Harley at centre back.

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Re: Which was the worst relegation and why?

by Ascotexgunner » 02 May 2013 20:57

2008 because I didn't expect it. This season to me it seemed from day 1 I was kind of expecting it after the first 10 games.

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