BFTG Norwich,

[harry]

On the subject of unsporting behaviour:
I seem to recall one of their guys going down near our area with what looked like a head injury, Narge continuing, ref not stopping play despite our players calling for him to do so, then when we got possession we lumped it out immediately so he could get treatment.
The delay was so long that he managed to get back on his feet just after we hoofed it out.
With the resulting throw on Narge didn't throw it back to us.

They were either unsporting in not throwing the ball back or ignorant of the reasons why we kicked it out in the first place. Just because their guy turned out to be ok it is surely not a decent reason to ignore sportsmanship.

[Wycombe Royal]

So looking at that video we hadn't actually made either substitution as both Mackie and Guthrie were still standing there, despite play originally being stopped to bring on Guthrie. It seems to me like the ref just got a bit confused and forgot what was going on, probably as a result of us forcing him to allow the physio on to McCleary. We have to take some of the blame but still the ref got it completely wrong.

[Armadillo Roadkill]

/\ This.

[harry]

As previously posted that goal reminded me of Boro's goal that knocked us out of the League Cup in '98.
Ref should be credited with an assist.

[Snowball]

On the subject of unsporting behaviour:
I seem to recall one of their guys going down near our area with what looked like a head injury, Narge continuing, ref not stopping play despite our players calling for him to do so, then when we got possession we lumped it out immediately so he could get treatment.
The delay was so long that he managed to get back on his feet just after we hoofed it out.
With the resulting throw on Narge didn't throw it back to us.

They were either unsporting in not throwing the ball back or ignorant of the reasons why we kicked it out in the first place. Just because their guy turned out to be ok it is surely not a decent reason to ignore sportsmanship.

Well spotted, mate. I saw this too and was disappointed by Norwich.

[sandman]

So looking at that video we hadn't actually made either substitution as both Mackie and Guthrie were still standing there, despite play originally being stopped to bring on Guthrie. It seems to me like the ref just got a bit confused and forgot what was going on, probably as a result of us forcing him to allow the physio on to McCleary. We have to take some of the blame but still the ref got it completely wrong.

Can we please stop white knighting the ref? He screwed up plain and simple. Hopefully unlike some on here he accepts that and takes the punishment he gets.

[RoyalBlue]

So looking at that video we hadn't actually made either substitution as both Mackie and Guthrie were still standing there, despite play originally being stopped to bring on Guthrie. It seems to me like the ref just got a bit confused and forgot what was going on, probably as a result of us forcing him to allow the physio on to McCleary. We have to take some of the blame but still the ref got it completely wrong.

We didn't (and couldn't) force him to allow the physio on. The ref is able to make his own decision on that and if he felt it was unjustified could have refused to allow the physio on. Also whatever the justification for not allowing the McCleary substitution, Guthrie should still have been allowed on as he was stood on the touchline beside the 4th official ready to be brought on in the next break in play, which was when the ball went out for the throw.

And what was the 4th Official's excuse? He only had one thing to do at that point and managed to completely f*ck that up! Both officials should be punished for their utter incompetence.

Also, both Sky and the FL show chose to completely ignore the incident. Can you imagine that happening if the incident had involved one of the PL prima donna clubs?!

[Faithful Son]

^ +3

[Ian Royal]

New stat which I think the Norwich game was a fine example of -

Oliver Norwood Has made more tackles + interceptions (124) than any other player in the Championship this season

Leads the charts on tackles per game with 3.9, not in the top 10 for interceptions however but cant be far off as 10th is 2.8 per game and he is on 2.7.

But still, fantastic stats for our little midfielder.

his tackling is really impressive for a little passer. I think Guthrie's got a slightly better range of passing and confidence on the ball, but Norwood contributes far more defensively and plays to a quicker, simpler tempo.

[Ian Royal]

On the subject of unsporting behaviour:
I seem to recall one of their guys going down near our area with what looked like a head injury, Narge continuing, ref not stopping play despite our players calling for him to do so, then when we got possession we lumped it out immediately so he could get treatment.
The delay was so long that he managed to get back on his feet just after we hoofed it out.
With the resulting throw on Narge didn't throw it back to us.

They were either unsporting in not throwing the ball back or ignorant of the reasons why we kicked it out in the first place. Just because their guy turned out to be ok it is surely not a decent reason to ignore sportsmanship.

Well spotted, mate. I saw this too and was disappointed by Norwich.

+1

[Nameless]

It's a bit pathetic to talk about the officials being punished.
At the very worst they made a mistake, they didn't cheat or deliberately conspire against us. They made a mistake which unfortunately had significant repercussions.
And to be fair to them we have not heard their explanation. If the 4th official had seen McLeary struggling and said to Clarke ' do you still want to make your substitution' Clarke may have said no, meaning he wanted to now make 2, but easily being misinterpreted .
It would be good to hear the refs take on it, or Clarke telling us what the ref said to him or to the layers.
I still think the ref made an error, but he should no more be punished than a player is for missing an open goal or dropping a cross.

[Ian Royal]

Making a mistake is missing a foul, or giving a throw in to the wrong team.
That was a oxf*rd up, like sending off the wrong player, giving a ghost goal or booking someone three times before sending them off.

[paultheroyal]

So looking at that video we hadn't actually made either substitution as both Mackie and Guthrie were still standing there, despite play originally being stopped to bring on Guthrie. It seems to me like the ref just got a bit confused and forgot what was going on, probably as a result of us forcing him to allow the physio on to McCleary. We have to take some of the blame but still the ref got it completely wrong.

Can we please stop white knighting the ref? He screwed up plain and simple. Hopefully unlike some on here he accepts that and takes the punishment he gets.

Wycombe was right until he was saying RFC was at fault.

We were clearly making a sub, can only think the referee got confused, made a mistake and will miss a game for that.

[Nameless]

Making a mistake is missing a foul, or giving a throw in to the wrong team.
That was a oxf*rd up, like sending off the wrong player, giving a ghost goal or booking someone three times before sending them off.

Assuming you know what actually happened of course....

I've seen refs not allow substitutions, or delay a player coming back in after treatment before. It's not usually a big deal, like it was this time.

It appears to have been a mistake, or maybe bad communication, but as I said you don't punish players or managers for making a mistake. If it turns out my scenario above is correct do we sack Clarke for it ?

[Nameless]

And to be honest his biggest mistake of the night was failing to caution Jerome for outrageous cheating.....

[paultheroyal]

Making a mistake is missing a foul, or giving a throw in to the wrong team.
That was a oxf*rd up, like sending off the wrong player, giving a ghost goal or booking someone three times before sending them off.

Assuming you know what actually happened of course....

I've seen refs not allow substitutions, or delay a player coming back in after treatment before. It's not usually a big deal, like it was this time.

It appears to have been a mistake, or maybe bad communication, but as I said you don't punish players or managers for making a mistake. If it turns out my scenario above is correct do we sack Clarke for it ?

It's a known fact that referees do get punished for clangers. If this is deemed at such his next game will be in league one.

[sandman]

It's a bit pathetic to talk about the officials being punished.
At the very worst they made a mistake, they didn't cheat or deliberately conspire against us. They made a mistake which unfortunately had significant repercussions.
And to be fair to them we have not heard their explanation. If the 4th official had seen McLeary struggling and said to Clarke ' do you still want to make your substitution' Clarke may have said no, meaning he wanted to now make 2, but easily being misinterpreted .
It would be good to hear the refs take on it, or Clarke telling us what the ref said to him or to the layers.
I still think the ref made an error, but he should no more be punished than a player is for missing an open goal or dropping a cross.

Of course he should be punished, he failed to do his job properly and by the sound of it, and the look of it at Cardiff a month or so ago, it's not the first time he's made a basic mistake. How often should he get away with them before being punished? Let's hope the relevant authorities deal with it correctly rather than following your advice and doing nothing.

[eleventh earl of mar]

Pretty poor that it's taken this long for us to do the double over a team, this season.

Is this serious?

Well what do you think?

With most of what is written on this site, who knows?!!

[harry]

Pretty poor that it's taken this long for us to do the double over a team, this season.

Is this serious?

Well what do you think?

On the basis that Narge are the first team we've played twice (in the league) then I'd say it's acceptable.
Would be good to add to the doubles v Boro, Fulham & Millwall and get a run going.

[Royality creeps In]