Orlando Vs Kermorgant

[Vicky Pollard]

So now we've sold a guy who despite possibly having some minor faults off the pitch, on the pitch was one of our best players, and effectively replaced him with an ageing 34 year old who has a modest record at this level.....ok then, the club once again underlining its lowly ambitions.

I haven't been on here in a while, couldn't be bothered to come on and talk about the pathetic performance that 3000 of us had to stomach in Milton Keynes ten days ago but I have still seen nothing to suggest I was wrong to think that bringing McD back was nothing other than a backwards step. McD clearly didn't like Orlando and never gave him a chance from the start, but it appears that HRK has become the new McAnuff/Leigertwood player (where you can't get dropped no matter how shit you play because you're the managers favourite).

What an absolute joke this season has turned into, we have still not recovered from the capitulation 4000 of us witnessed at Craven Cottage 3 months ago and the farce that followed it with Clarke, who it seems shot himself in the foot. Quite possibly there is a lot more to all that than meets the eye and we probably won't know the full story for years, if we ever do.

Of course, an even bigger farce followed what with the sentimental and naive re appointment of a limited yes man manager who will be happy to take a far smaller salary and won't complain about the many unfulfilled promises from the club every season. Not saying Mc didn't do a good job when he was last here but seriously could we not have got someone better? Too many people are mitsaking 'nice guy' for 'good manager'. No real investment from our shadowy shareholders either, perhaps the Madejski influence is turning out to be a negative one because to me it looks like we're only going one way and that's backwards.

Oh well, there's quite a few grounds in League One I haven't been to yet.

Blimey, you're a barrel of laughs aren't you.

To be fair, I can't remember a season with such early promise decimated. Remember beating Boro 2-0? Y25 singing Blackman's name for the last 10 minutes of the game? Seems a distant memory. But you have to give McDermott time to rid those who want out (Blackman, Sa) and build his own team. He didn't need long last time, so no need to throw our toys out of the pram just yet.

[CountryRoyal]

Can't argue with any of that VM.

[Blackbag]

Orlando Vs Kermorgant ...................Orlando . Well done Mc Dormott

[sandman]

Orlando Vs Kermorgant ...................Orlando . Well done Mc Dormott

Not much anyone can do when the player and his family don't want to be here, Ballbag.

[Blackbag]

Orlando Vs Kermorgant ...................Orlando . Well done Mc Dormott

Not much anyone can do when the player and his family don't want to be here, Ballbag.

Suck ya mum aint Brain suppost to man manage and played in England before so it Reading hasn't come as a surprise has it ?

[AthleticoSpizz]

Daaaavid

[The Royal Forester]

2 months in the job and Brian has already forced out our two best players.

Shambles

I assume you mean Blackman and Sa. Blackman was already on his way out before BM arrived. He refused to accept the contracts offered to him by the club for several months the board decided to get money for him while they could. Sa wanted out by most accounts. I don't call that being forced out by Brian in either case. Or, did you mean Jake Taylor?

[Ian Royal]

Are people really having a toddler tantrum over this utterly expected and not at all upsetting news? Seriously!?

[Rax]

If Mrs Sa thought Reading was a dump, I wonder what she will make of Tel Aviv?

Ok, the Oracle Centre isn't stuffed full of the crème de la crème of shops, but on the plus side, you are unlikely to get rockets fired at you by Hezbollah.

POTY!!

[Extended-Phenotype]

Blackman and SA out and just Kermorgant in - that doesn't feel great business this window for Reading. But if we get Rakels or Bradshaw then things look a lot better.

[Dr_Hfuhruhurr]

Blackman and SA out and just Kermorgant in - that doesn't feel great business this window for Reading. But if we get Rakels or Bradshaw then things look a lot better.

Haven't we got Evans in as well?
And what do numbers matter after the summer splurge?

Although, saying that, Id like a central defender.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Blackman and SA out and just Kermorgant in - that doesn't feel great business this window for Reading. But if we get Rakels or Bradshaw then things look a lot better.

Haven't we got Evans in as well?
And what do numbers matter after the summer splurge?

Although, saying that, Id like a central defender.

Speaking purely on strikers, here. Evans is my kinda signing but 2 longer term strikers out and one temporary one in leaves us with a strike force of loans and an old boy none of which we can build on.

That's not a total disaster, we can always start rebuilding next season and just enjoy the remainder of this one while writing it off. But Id prefer us to be using games to invest time bedding players in for the future.

If Rakels or Bradshaw sign, then to me that's a feeling we have room to progress and not just waste the remaing games.

[Dr_Hfuhruhurr]

Blackman and SA out and just Kermorgant in - that doesn't feel great business this window for Reading. But if we get Rakels or Bradshaw then things look a lot better.

Haven't we got Evans in as well?
And what do numbers matter after the summer splurge?

Although, saying that, Id like a central defender.

Speaking purely on strikers, here. Evans is my kinda signing but 2 longer term strikers out and one temporary one in leaves us with a strike force of loans and an old boy none of which we can build on.

That's not a total disaster, we can always start rebuilding next season and just enjoy the remainder of this one while writing it off. But Id prefer us to be using games to invest time bedding players in for the future.

If Rakels or Bradshaw sign, then to me that's a feeling we have room to progress and not just waste the remaing games.

Fair dos.
But Im all for giving Vydra and Kermogant a go, and seeing if Cox is good enough. Admit its not exactly overflowing but you can overdo this stuff.

[Nameless]

Any team is going to be a mix of short and long term surely ? Very rare you get a complete side of 26 year olds at their peak. I can't see the problem in signing a proven player with a good record at this level to bridge a gap. If Kermogant does in the. Next 18 months why he did in his previous 2 seasons at this level he'll be making a very good contribution. On the short time we've seen him he doesn't look an 'old' player. He was very mobile on Saturday and it's much more common these days for players to still be playing into their mid 30s.
And it's not as if we've got no young strikers. Samuel. Liburd and Novacovic are all very decent prospects and I'd hope the latter 2 go out on loan for the rest of the season if we sign Rakells and if we don't I'd get Samuel back.

[RoyallyFcuked]

Sa didn't want to be here.

Where is your evidence for that?

You're could be right though, he probably didn't want to be here once he'd had a week of training sessions under McDermott. Same goes for Blackman who played under him before don't forget, and could also see that under him we would be going nowhere fast. Plus the fact we are still a selling club.

Kermogant is better anyway.

We shall see. Had the Fulham disaster not happened I'm sure that Orlando would have scored 10+ by now. Bad mouth him and his temperament all you want, anyone that saw us play a few times this season will have seen that the guy clearly had some skill, his hold up play was very good, his link up was decent as was his finishing, he had some talent no question. McD doesn't really do talent though does he... Anyone with any real amount of it will be left in the cold and moved on before long then all that's left is a return to dreadful to watch style of football and any result we get is scrape, it seems we are already on the way.

Kermorgant's career highlight is having a poorly executed (and silly) chipped penalty saved in a shoot out in a play off semi for Leicester that cost them a place in the final. 42 goals in 127 apperances across 5 seasons in the Championship, ok is maybe slightly better than modest. But at 34 years of age how many seasons does he have left? And unless he's Zlatan Ibrahimovic in disguise, surely his best days are behind him? Orlando Sa is only 27 so has yet to even reach his peak and didn't even get 6 months or 20 games to get used to English football before he was unfairly alienated.

He's arguably the second most successful manager we've ever had (ie in 145 years)

That seems to be your best (or only) arguement. Hate to have to tell you that what happened before means next to nothing now.

Pop in every so often - give us an update.

Don't worry I will, McD being back certainly suits the old clappers and plastics, "but he's a such a lovely bloke our Brian" (which is the majority of this board), surprisingly you get more sense on Facebook (which most of you are old to have) where I got 20 likes for a comment on the ReadingFC page's story on Orlando leaving saying that I felt sorry for him, that its more proof that getting McD back was a mistake and that he's clueless The general feeling on there is along the same lines, and you get a lot less of the 'club (or Brian) can do no wrong' deluded attitude, so I may be in minority on here but in the minority of Reading of fans in general, I think not.

[Nameless]

Ok RF, just so I avoid a whoosh, that's all deep irony isn't it ?

[RoyallyFcuked]

He is RoyallyFcukingStupid.

Shut up SADman you geeky soppy virgin.

Ok RF, just so I avoid a whoosh, that's all deep irony isn't it ?

I wish it was, my Nameless friend.

[AthleticoSpizz]

"34 year old with a modest record at this level"

Just lol @ royally f11ckedthatoneup

[RoyallyFcuked]

"34 year old with a modest record at this level"

Just lol @ royally f11ckedthatoneup

It seems you felt the need to say that again because I forgot to quote you when I already corrected myself and said that 42 goals in 127 games is a bit better than modest as its about 1 goal in every 3. But it's not brilliant either and at 34 he has to be on the decline while Orlando Sa is only 27 and is a more talented footballer.

You're much better when you say something constructive Spizz so either do that or get back on AE you mongtard.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Ooo touchy RF, sorry "mate" I ignored your correction....do feel free to write it down twice.though.
Thanx for the kind words etc