Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by tmesis » 27 Aug 2016 12:01

sandman If we play our football in the opposition's half, we're far less likely to give the ball away in an area we'll get punished in.


Two points.

First, perhaps the reason we sometimes find it difficult to move the ball forward is that we aren't very good at playing the new style yet. If playing this way was easy, and teams could switch after just five weeks of pre-season training, everyone would do it. Because we aren't that great at it yet suggests we need to practice and persevere, not give up. Part of that is learning when you should pass and when you should clear the ball anywhere.

Nobody, not even Stam, wants to see the ball being tapped sideways, sideways and sideways again, just in front of our own box. It's pointless and achieves nothing. What we need to learn to do is to work as a team to get the ball forward, and the only way we'll learn that is by sticking to what we do, and giving it time.


Secondly, If getting the ball forward quicker means we lose possession much easier, it's not a great gain. It also does nothing to address the fundamental problem we have at the moment, in that there's almost no understanding up front. We get into a very large number of dangerous positions in every game - and a large part of that is down to the fact that we don't just throw in a percentage ball, but keep possession instead - but balls into the box constantly fail to find their targets, not helped by forward players seldom taking up a good position.

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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by Yellowcoat » 27 Aug 2016 12:19

Nameless Anyone wanting to see where Stam is taking us should have gone to the U23 game last night. The first half was really very good using the same approach as the first team ,just with a bit more pace and urgency. We played the ball quicker out of defence and Osho in particular kept putting good passes in to the feet of the forward players. When the ball went out to the full backs they had options down the line or inside. But when nothing was on we were happy to go back, play the ball across the line and build again. They looked a couple of training sessions ahead of the first team despite being a 'scratch' side and obviously playing under rather less scrutiny and pressure.
If the team below the first team are making it work (although it wasn't so good second half) I would be optimistic that a settled first team will not be far off doing it too.
Although not that long ago we thought Clarke had it cracked too........


Despite the under 23's being up 3-0 against Manchester City at half time last night (could easily have been 5 or 6) there were a number of people behind me praising any long (hoof) balls and moaning about passing between ourselves, Dinosaurs!

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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by 3points » 27 Aug 2016 12:48

The challenge is for the front six players to keep moving to create space to receive the ball; the second challenge is then for the defenders to then see the pass and complete it. What seemed to happen on Tuesday was the movement of the front six was sporadic so the defenders didn't really have many options. But there was also many times when a pass did look to be on but the defenders then took the safe options of going back or sideways again.

I did get frustrated a couple of times when Jaakola seemed to have the option of a quick throw out to one of our players who had a lot of space but, instead, slowed the game down and rolled it out to cooper or Moore.

However, against Brighton there seemed to be a lot more purpose to the passing and it felt less tedious than at times against MK. Probably the difference between the normal starting XI versus the make shift team of Tuesday evening.

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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by Snowball » 27 Aug 2016 13:45

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Having said that, the performances/results against Preston and Brighton were fine but not away to Wolves and Newcastle.
4 points from 4 games is far from being what is necessary to survive.



No it isn't. 46 points was fine for the last three years.

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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by Victor Meldrew » 27 Aug 2016 15:57

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Having said that, the performances/results against Preston and Brighton were fine but not away to Wolves and Newcastle.
4 points from 4 games is far from being what is necessary to survive.



No it isn't. 46 points was fine for the last three years.


Past performance is not to be taken as a guide to future performance.
What happened before that and would you be deliriously happy with just 46 points?


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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by Nameless » 27 Aug 2016 17:04

BR what are you thinking is necessary to stay up ?
Basing it on what has been necessary previously does seem a fairly reasonable start point !

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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by Victor Meldrew » 27 Aug 2016 17:29

Nameless BR what are you thinking is necessary to stay up ?
Basing it on what has been necessary previously does seem a fairly reasonable start point !


We don't know from one year to the next-IIRC there was a team relegated on 51 points one year (Millwall?) so I would rather we didn't end up nervously with just 46 points.
Today's late win helps and more results like that please.

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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by Lower West » 27 Aug 2016 23:44

tmesis [quote="sandman]
It also does nothing to address the fundamental problem we have at the moment, in that there's almost no understanding up front. [/quote][/quote]


Once the defensive platform is built. Then the forward players will have more freedom to express themselves. There's only so much that can be worked on between competitive games.

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Re: Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

by maffff » 28 Aug 2016 01:16

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Nameless BR what are you thinking is necessary to stay up ?
Basing it on what has been necessary previously does seem a fairly reasonable start point !


We don't know from one year to the next-IIRC there was a team relegated on 51 points one year (Millwall?) so I would rather we didn't end up nervously with just 46 points.
Today's late win helps and more results like that please.

5 games in, rookie manager, new style and players still to get familiar with each other yet if we keep this form all season (WLLDW) we'd be on track for 10th last season. Given some encouraging signs are there I'd see no reason to think we're at risk of relegation and if anything should continue to improve. I'd hope we end up mid table to upper mid table, 8-14th.


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