Do you want Ince as our manager next season.

[NewCorkSeth]

My opinion is that a competent manager would have gotten us to 15 wins already

No side below 7th has reached 15 wins yet.

Suggesting not doing so is a sign of incompetence, is a bit of a stretch, especially considering our patched up squad of free transfers and loans.

Especially as in the same breath he says he doesn’t expect us to be top or mid table.

I dont think that come the end of the season we will be top or mid table*

I want and expected us to get 15 wins this season and, given we got 7 in our first 12 games I think its reasonable to have expected us to have crossed that milestone by this point. There are a lot of games between that draw against Norwich and now that I believe a decent manager would have gotten a result out of. I guess you can argue that Ince is due credit for the start but this attitude of the team is too shit to get better results out of is just incorrect.

[Fezza]

I fully expect that Man Utd fans are calling for ten Hag's head tonight having been smashed by Brentford, Cadiz, City, Villa and now the Scousers this season, especially since they've spent 1/4 billion...

[Brogue]

I fully expect that Man Utd fans are calling for ten Hag's head tonight having been smashed by Brentford, Cadiz, City, Villa and now the Scousers this season, especially since they've spent 1/4 billion...

Not sure he’d come here. And wcbap

[Elm Park Kid]

Emphatically yes.

All things considered, the club has done very well to get through this time without any serious relegation risk (potential points deductions aside). PInce deserves his share of the credit and has earnt the right to have another season with a transfer window in which we can (sort of) buy players.

I'm watching the same away games as you guys - yes, they are awful. But i'm keeping the faith.

And ultimately this comes down to whether we could get a better manager in. Sure - if the club can entice someone with proven success at the Championship/PL level then I'd consider it. But we all know that whoever they get will be another gamble.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Spot-on EPK

[Mid Sussex Royal]

We have also turned results from wins or draws into defeats? What progress have we made on the pitch? Very few of our results have come because of managerial decisions beyond starting Tom Ince. There are just no signs that we are operating on the pitch with any vision for the future.

Not sure we could very progress a lot on the pitch this year. Holmes, McIntyre, Azeez another years experience in them, Abrefa, Abbey, CBC a bit closer to the first team and the u21s looking in half decent shape is encouraging but agree the main spine of the first team will just disappear again in the summer

On paper he has done pretty well but fully agree actually watching us is a real chore atm and we’re not a good side

My opinion is that a competent manager would have gotten us to 15 wins already and that if we were a side defined by our hard work and graft we would have drawn more than 5 games this season.

I think the progress on the pitch for me would be to see some sort of plan for next year, players we will actually have being given more minutes, a formation that we would see as our starting tactic going forward. It just seems to me that were watching a manager who doesnt know what he wants to do with this team. He doesnt know Meite is strong on the right hand side? We cant play football because the players are too shit? We brought in Casadei but the manager doesnt want to play him because hes not got any experience outside of under21s football? Was it a Bowen signing then? does the manager have no say in signings? its all a mystery to the fans and, given his interveiws, its a mystery to Ince too. He comes across so confidently clueless.


I dont expect us to be top or even mid table, but I expect to see some sort of semblance of a plan. Watching Boro I sat there thinking this is Ince playing a back 4 against one of the in form attacking teams to spite the fans. "I told you it wouldnt work". Saw a joke that Ince has been told hes not getting a contract for next season and has downed tools and sometimes i cant help but believe it.

15 wins and a few more draws would have us in the top 6, do you seriously believe this squad is that good?

[NewCorkSeth]

Not sure we could very progress a lot on the pitch this year. Holmes, McIntyre, Azeez another years experience in them, Abrefa, Abbey, CBC a bit closer to the first team and the u21s looking in half decent shape is encouraging but agree the main spine of the first team will just disappear again in the summer

On paper he has done pretty well but fully agree actually watching us is a real chore atm and we’re not a good side

My opinion is that a competent manager would have gotten us to 15 wins already and that if we were a side defined by our hard work and graft we would have drawn more than 5 games this season.

I think the progress on the pitch for me would be to see some sort of plan for next year, players we will actually have being given more minutes, a formation that we would see as our starting tactic going forward. It just seems to me that were watching a manager who doesnt know what he wants to do with this team. He doesnt know Meite is strong on the right hand side? We cant play football because the players are too shit? We brought in Casadei but the manager doesnt want to play him because hes not got any experience outside of under21s football? Was it a Bowen signing then? does the manager have no say in signings? its all a mystery to the fans and, given his interveiws, its a mystery to Ince too. He comes across so confidently clueless.


I dont expect us to be top or even mid table, but I expect to see some sort of semblance of a plan. Watching Boro I sat there thinking this is Ince playing a back 4 against one of the in form attacking teams to spite the fans. "I told you it wouldnt work". Saw a joke that Ince has been told hes not getting a contract for next season and has downed tools and sometimes i cant help but believe it.

15 wins and a few more draws would have us in the top 6, do you seriously believe this squad is that good?

Yeah i see that isnt clear.

I think that we should have 2 more wins by this point or we have a manager who manages to turn a good few of those defeats into draws. not both at the same time. I was trying to say we dont have an identity as a tough to beat, hard working team becasue if we did then we would have drawn more games. During the same post i was saying a more competent manager wins at least 2 more games. Birmingham and Cardiff for example.

I dont think that this is a top squad obviously. I just think that in many games this season it has been the manager who is at fault for the defeats and individuals who have been the reasons for victory. How many games would you say there has been a clear game plan that worked? Millwall?

[SCIAG]

Thoroughly whelmed. He's absolutely fine. Done a good job that has gradually felt less impressive as the season has gone on.

Obviously in hindsight we should never have sacked Paunovic. There's a chance that our next manager would be someone of that calibre, but it could just as easily be someone worse than Ince. Better the devil you know etc.

[Snowflake Royal]

Thoroughly whelmed. He's absolutely fine. Done a good job that has gradually felt less impressive as the season has gone on.

Obviously in hindsight we should never have sacked Paunovic. There's a chance that our next manager would be someone of that calibre, but it could just as easily be someone worse than Ince. Better the devil you know etc.

[TiagoIlori]

Anyone we get in if there’s still an embargo in the summer is doomed to fail. This is not a good group of players and is about to get drastically worse on the goal scoring front should both Joao and Meite go. I don’t rate him as a manager, but I don’t think many people would be doing much better than Paul Ince this season.

If there is more market flexibility though, then it’s an easy decision.

[Brogue]

Thoroughly whelmed. He's absolutely fine. Done a good job that has gradually felt less impressive as the season has gone on.

Obviously in hindsight we should never have sacked Paunovic. There's a chance that our next manager would be someone of that calibre, but it could just as easily be someone worse than Ince. Better the devil you know etc.

Wow

[NathStPaul]

Thoroughly whelmed. He's absolutely fine. Done a good job that has gradually felt less impressive as the season has gone on.

Obviously in hindsight we should never have sacked Paunovic. There's a chance that our next manager would be someone of that calibre, but it could just as easily be someone worse than Ince. Better the devil you know etc.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

My opinion is that a competent manager would have gotten us to 15 wins already and that if we were a side defined by our hard work and graft we would have drawn more than 5 games this season.

I think the progress on the pitch for me would be to see some sort of plan for next year, players we will actually have being given more minutes, a formation that we would see as our starting tactic going forward. It just seems to me that were watching a manager who doesnt know what he wants to do with this team. He doesnt know Meite is strong on the right hand side? We cant play football because the players are too shit? We brought in Casadei but the manager doesnt want to play him because hes not got any experience outside of under21s football? Was it a Bowen signing then? does the manager have no say in signings? its all a mystery to the fans and, given his interveiws, its a mystery to Ince too. He comes across so confidently clueless.


I dont expect us to be top or even mid table, but I expect to see some sort of semblance of a plan. Watching Boro I sat there thinking this is Ince playing a back 4 against one of the in form attacking teams to spite the fans. "I told you it wouldnt work". Saw a joke that Ince has been told hes not getting a contract for next season and has downed tools and sometimes i cant help but believe it.

15 wins and a few more draws would have us in the top 6, do you seriously believe this squad is that good?

Yeah i see that isnt clear.

I think that we should have 2 more wins by this point or we have a manager who manages to turn a good few of those defeats into draws. not both at the same time. I was trying to say we dont have an identity as a tough to beat, hard working team becasue if we did then we would have drawn more games. During the same post i was saying a more competent manager wins at least 2 more games. Birmingham and Cardiff for example.

I dont think that this is a top squad obviously. I just think that in many games this season it has been the manager who is at fault for the defeats and individuals who have been the reasons for victory. How many games would you say there has been a clear game plan that worked? Millwall?

Have you considered that maybe he's already turned a lot more defeats into wins already? Given our points total (despite our position when the 6 points come off), we can say we are still doing significantly better than what most thought we would have done.

I don't really like going down the route of, "yeah we should have won these games" because it all balances out. On paper, we should have done better in the defeats at Birmingham and Cardiff but I'm sure there are various examples of games where we probably were a tad fortunate to come away with a win, the recent home game against Rotherham for instance as well as a few others.

Blackburn and Swansea both worked where I noticed we were different than normal. But every game we've played this season we will have had a plan.

[SouthDownsRoyal]

No

[Sutekh]

15 wins and a few more draws would have us in the top 6, do you seriously believe this squad is that good?

Yeah i see that isnt clear.

I think that we should have 2 more wins by this point or we have a manager who manages to turn a good few of those defeats into draws. not both at the same time. I was trying to say we dont have an identity as a tough to beat, hard working team becasue if we did then we would have drawn more games. During the same post i was saying a more competent manager wins at least 2 more games. Birmingham and Cardiff for example.

I dont think that this is a top squad obviously. I just think that in many games this season it has been the manager who is at fault for the defeats and individuals who have been the reasons for victory. How many games would you say there has been a clear game plan that worked? Millwall?

Have you considered that maybe he's already turned a lot more defeats into wins already? Given our points total (despite our position when the 6 points come off), we can say we are still doing significantly better than what most thought we would have done.

I don't really like going down the route of, "yeah we should have won these games" because it all balances out. On paper, we should have done better in the defeats at Birmingham and Cardiff but I'm sure there are various examples of games where we probably were a tad fortunate to come away with a win, the recent home game against Rotherham for instance as well as a few others.

Blackburn and Swansea both worked where I noticed we were different than normal. But every game we've played this season we will have had a plan.

I shudder to think what the hell that plan was yesterday.

[Ascotexgunner]

Yeah i see that isnt clear.

I think that we should have 2 more wins by this point or we have a manager who manages to turn a good few of those defeats into draws. not both at the same time. I was trying to say we dont have an identity as a tough to beat, hard working team becasue if we did then we would have drawn more games. During the same post i was saying a more competent manager wins at least 2 more games. Birmingham and Cardiff for example.

I dont think that this is a top squad obviously. I just think that in many games this season it has been the manager who is at fault for the defeats and individuals who have been the reasons for victory. How many games would you say there has been a clear game plan that worked? Millwall?

Have you considered that maybe he's already turned a lot more defeats into wins already? Given our points total (despite our position when the 6 points come off), we can say we are still doing significantly better than what most thought we would have done.

I don't really like going down the route of, "yeah we should have won these games" because it all balances out. On paper, we should have done better in the defeats at Birmingham and Cardiff but I'm sure there are various examples of games where we probably were a tad fortunate to come away with a win, the recent home game against Rotherham for instance as well as a few others.

Blackburn and Swansea both worked where I noticed we were different than normal. But every game we've played this season we will have had a plan.

I shudder to think what the hell that plan was yesterday.

Andy Carroll is our plan A,B,C,D....
Lump it to him and see what happens.....isn't that the plan?

[tmesis]

Yeah i see that isnt clear.

I think that we should have 2 more wins by this point or we have a manager who manages to turn a good few of those defeats into draws. not both at the same time. I was trying to say we dont have an identity as a tough to beat, hard working team becasue if we did then we would have drawn more games. During the same post i was saying a more competent manager wins at least 2 more games. Birmingham and Cardiff for example.

I dont think that this is a top squad obviously. I just think that in many games this season it has been the manager who is at fault for the defeats and individuals who have been the reasons for victory. How many games would you say there has been a clear game plan that worked? Millwall?

Have you considered that maybe he's already turned a lot more defeats into wins already? Given our points total (despite our position when the 6 points come off), we can say we are still doing significantly better than what most thought we would have done.

I don't really like going down the route of, "yeah we should have won these games" because it all balances out. On paper, we should have done better in the defeats at Birmingham and Cardiff but I'm sure there are various examples of games where we probably were a tad fortunate to come away with a win, the recent home game against Rotherham for instance as well as a few others.

Blackburn and Swansea both worked where I noticed we were different than normal. But every game we've played this season we will have had a plan.

I shudder to think what the hell that plan was yesterday.

Whatever it was, it was stifled by a Millwall team well skilled in classic shithousery, who did all they could to stop a game of football breaking out.

[Franchise FC]

If Ince is the manager next season then we will have stayed up, so yes I want him to be the manager

[elrey]

Ince has a tendency to do well for a while and then completely fall off the wagon.

This year we've played 11 games, won two, against 20th and 22nd in the table. We've drawn two, against a team which sacked their manager and 19th.

I can't imagine anything from Blackburn, Hull have won 4 in 2023, they beat West Brom and drew with Coventry, so, probably another 1-0 or 5-0 defeat.

There are some winnable games in April, Wigan, Birmingham, and Huddersfield in May.... but the problem is this is so Ince. To start well and then fall down and down and down, even the easy games will not be easy any more. It's like he pushes the players so much that they can't perform after a while. It's like he got a little pick me up from the World Cup break, still lost to Birmingham, but then after about 4 games it all fell apart again.

I don't know who else would come in and do a better job.... it's a difficult one. We're just not the sort of club anyone would want to manage.

[Hendo]

This year we've played 11 games, won two, against 20th and 22nd in the table. We've drawn two, against a team which sacked their manager and 19th.

Slightly misleading here.

QPR were in 13th and above us when we drew with them, not 19th.
Watford were 9th and above us when we drew with them, you missed out their position all together. Not sure what sacking their manager has anything to do with it, seeing as it a) didn't come immediately after our game and b) it is Watford who have a history of sacking their managers way too quickly.

Whilst still not great, lets get facts right before we make an argument.