CONFIMRED - Paul Ince sacked

[Clyde1998]

As I said in another thread, I would've thought it would've been Bowen who would've taken over if Ince left. Although there's probably much more chance of Hunt becoming the permenant manager than Bowen and he's probably spent more time around the players recently.

I do wonder if Hunt will be more willing to play some of the younger players than Ince. There have been plenty of games this season where we've been crying out for subs, but Ince has been unwilling to give game time to some of the younger players. Even if the young players avaliable are not of Championship (or even League One) quality, that energy boost for twenty minutes could get you a few points over a season - especially if you're losing at the time.

Hunt appears to be playing a 4-2-3-1 with the U21s, although whether he does that with the first team will depend on the players who are fit.

With the players I think we've got avaliable, a 4-2-3-1 could look something like:
Lumley
Yiadom - Holmes - Mbengue/Sarr/Dann - Guiness-Walker
Fornah - Loum
Hendrick - Casadei - Azeez
Carroll/Joao

That's not a bad starting XI for this level, even with the number of injuries we've had. I haven't seen any U21 matches under Hunt, so I don't know what his tactics (beyond formation) look like.

Hunt has nothing to lose in these five matches: either he keeps us in the division and his stock heavily increases or we go down and we probably would've done that anyway.

[Millsy]

...[hasn't blocked the troll yet]

As per my comment above Sutekh.

[karbota]

As I said in another thread, I would've thought it would've been Bowen who would've taken over if Ince left. Although there's probably much more chance of Hunt becoming the permenant manager than Bowen and he's probably spent more time around the players recently.

I do wonder if Hunt will be more willing to play some of the younger players than Ince. There have been plenty of games this season where we've been crying out for subs, but Ince has been unwilling to give game time to some of the younger players. Even if the young players avaliable are not of Championship (or even League One) quality, that energy boost for twenty minutes could get you a few points over a season - especially if you're losing at the time.

Hunt appears to be playing a 4-2-3-1 with the U21s, although whether he does that with the first team will depend on the players who are fit.

With the players I think we've got avaliable, a 4-2-3-1 could look something like:
Lumley
Yiadom - Holmes - Mbengue/Sarr/Dann - Guiness-Walker
Fornah - Loum
Hendrick - Casadei - Azeez
Carroll/Joao

That's not a bad starting XI for this level, even with the number of injuries we've had. I haven't seen any U21 matches under Hunt, so I don't know what his tactics (beyond formation) look like.

Hunt has nothing to lose in these five matches: either he keeps us in the division and his stock heavily increases or we go down and we probably would've done that anyway.

"You won't win anything with kids or foreign players"

[SCIAG]

As has been mentioned by several others already, our managerial appointments in the last few years have all been dreadful.

Yes I know Brian and Parj were nobodies who worked out ok but Madejski is a different beast, with an eye for talent and he worked with both of these before. The last bunch of eyebrow raising nobody appointments have been generally as ridiculously bad as we feared they would be.

At the same time we've pumped more money into players than any other time in our history, to the point of actually breaking the rules.

To invest and risk so much in players yet not bother to attract a proven talent as a manager that can actually do something with them is absolutely bloody ridiculous and is the one thing that makes me angry.

A good manager can work wonders out of promising players and make Doyles, Longs and Kitsons out of unheard of players . A nobody manager will cock up with even the best.

Please please please Dai invest money where it's actually useful. You had the chance to bring in Warnock and didn't even talk to him. Instead we got a players dad who used to manage several years ago. Please for the love of God actually appoint a manager that at least sizeable proportion of Reading fans agree with, rather than baffling everyone every single time with a nobody.

To challenge that, Madejski spent most of his time out of the country around the times Pardew was at the club before being appointed.

And both Pardew and McDermott were appointed as caretakers. They weren't strokes of genius based on insight into their qualities, they were in the right place at the right time and all parties got lucky.

[Gunny Fishcake]

At least six weeks too late .....

[Royal Rother]

If not for karbota I think Parkinson WOULD actually be in our minds as a potential replacement.

Low bar but I’m extremely confident, nay, absolutely certain, he’d have done a better job than Ince this season and I don’t think his name should be dismissed.

[Fezza]

If not for karbota I think Parkinson WOULD actually be in our minds as a potential replacement.

Low bar but I’m extremely confident, nay, absolutely certain, he’d have done a better job than Ince this season and I don’t think his name should be dismissed.

Having watched how he set up his hugely expensive Wrexham team in defence against Notts County I'd disagree - both goals conceded were the direct result of poor defensive routines / positioning (the second, and the pen that was missed, particularly so). He's doing so well because he has L1 players in the non league.

[Vision]

I have every sympathy with Ince, for both his seasons the remit was to stay up. He achieved it last season and would have achieved this season without the points deduction. To that extent, he did his job.

I don't doubt we all want to see flowing attacking football but the reality is we do not have the squad capable of that and so played a style that would scrabble together the necessary points to survive. I wish Noel Hunt every luck and hope that we get that new manager bounce but I would be very surprised. The only consolation is my £20 Judas bet at 66/1 to be relegated, at least that pays for next season's ticket

Well that’s exactly the point isn’t it .

If we’ve supposedly assembled a squad to fight relegation, why when it’s become a reality are they so shit at it?

With or without 6 point deduction it shouldn’t have come down to this . Managers publicly claiming that avoiding relegation is the only target is just them telling us what a wonderful job they’re doing.

He had the tools to not be even remotely looking over our shoulder but his insistence that his players weren’t good enough for anything other than survival has bitten him and us badly .

[Royal Rother]

If not for karbota I think Parkinson WOULD actually be in our minds as a potential replacement.

Low bar but I’m extremely confident, nay, absolutely certain, he’d have done a better job than Ince this season and I don’t think his name should be dismissed.

Having watched how he set up his hugely expensive Wrexham team in defence against Notts County I'd disagree - both goals conceded were the direct result of poor defensive routines / positioning (the second, and the pen that was missed, particularly so). He's doing so well because he has L1 players in the non league.

Of course you’ve got a point, and I’m not backing him for the job, but I wouldn’t be up in arms if he did get it. (Can’t see him leaving Wrexham yet awhile though.)

Best squad, yes, but they still need managing and 103 points from 42 games is no mean achievement whatever the circumstances.

[windermereROYAL]

I have heard the he saved us from relegation nonsense numerous times today, 4 wins from 14 games didn`t save us, 2 worse teams in Barnsley and Peterborough plus Derby`s large points deduction did, we finished on 41 points and it`s a fact that had us and Derby escaped without deductions we would have gone down.
He wasn`t the messiah then and he got found out for the fraud he is this season, good bloody riddance

[Lower West]

I do wonder when the players first knew about us probably having points deducted, as I'd be amazed if it was the same time that it was made public.

Then again, at the time it was announced it looked like we'd stay up comfortably.

No different to any other place of work. Rumours will be circulating. As people, the players will put themselves first. Families to support and mortgages to pay. Being on a hamster wheel isn't great whatever your profession you are in. Minds are likely to be elsewhere. A summer move if their agent can find one. .

[Millsy]

As has been mentioned by several others already, our managerial appointments in the last few years have all been dreadful.

Yes I know Brian and Parj were nobodies who worked out ok but Madejski is a different beast, with an eye for talent and he worked with both of these before. The last bunch of eyebrow raising nobody appointments have been generally as ridiculously bad as we feared they would be.

At the same time we've pumped more money into players than any other time in our history, to the point of actually breaking the rules.

To invest and risk so much in players yet not bother to attract a proven talent as a manager that can actually do something with them is absolutely bloody ridiculous and is the one thing that makes me angry.

A good manager can work wonders out of promising players and make Doyles, Longs and Kitsons out of unheard of players . A nobody manager will cock up with even the best.

Please please please Dai invest money where it's actually useful. You had the chance to bring in Warnock and didn't even talk to him. Instead we got a players dad who used to manage several years ago. Please for the love of God actually appoint a manager that at least sizeable proportion of Reading fans agree with, rather than baffling everyone every single time with a nobody.

To challenge that, Madejski spent most of his time out of the country around the times Pardew was at the club before being appointed.

And both Pardew and McDermott were appointed as caretakers. They weren't strokes of genius based on insight into their qualities, they were in the right place at the right time and all parties got lucky.

Quite possibly just luck as you guys say. Either way nobody gambles aren't the way to go.

How many times are we so delighted to get rid of a bad manager that we'll fool ourselves into hailing *anyone* who takes over, until we realise they're a shit nobody too and the cycle continues.

I can see us getting all excited over Noel Hunt in exactly the same way. Of course, we may strike it lucky and he may just be the next Fergie but I hope to God this time round Dai is actually putting a lot of energy into researching this one and not just taking a punt on a nobody for the sake of change or cheapness or listening to Kia.

I'm f**king done with punts on nobodies. I want my club back.

[Snowflake Royal]

To challenge that, Madejski spent most of his time out of the country around the times Pardew was at the club before being appointed.

And both Pardew and McDermott were appointed as caretakers. They weren't strokes of genius based on insight into their qualities, they were in the right place at the right time and all parties got lucky.

Quite possibly just luck as you guys say. Either way nobody gambles aren't the way to go.

How many times are we so delighted to get rid of a bad manager that we'll fool ourselves into hailing *anyone* who takes over, until we realise they're a shit nobody too and the cycle continues.

I can see us getting all excited over Noel Hunt in exactly the same way. Of course, we may strike it lucky and he may just be the next Fergie but I hope to God this time round Dai is actually putting a lot of energy into researching this one and not just taking a punt on a nobody for the sake of change or cheapness or listening to Kia.

I'm f**king done with punts on nobodies. I want my club back.

There were plenty of reservations about Gomes, Paunovic, Clement, Clarke, Bowen and Stam on appointment.

Noel is just in charge til the end of season. Even if he keeps us up, 5 games isn't really enough to give him the gig long term. Maybe if he does good stuff and we go down, but if we stay up, it's too big a risk imo.

[Millsy]

And both Pardew and McDermott were appointed as caretakers. They weren't strokes of genius based on insight into their qualities, they were in the right place at the right time and all parties got lucky.

Quite possibly just luck as you guys say. Either way nobody gambles aren't the way to go.

How many times are we so delighted to get rid of a bad manager that we'll fool ourselves into hailing *anyone* who takes over, until we realise they're a shit nobody too and the cycle continues.

I can see us getting all excited over Noel Hunt in exactly the same way. Of course, we may strike it lucky and he may just be the next Fergie but I hope to God this time round Dai is actually putting a lot of energy into researching this one and not just taking a punt on a nobody for the sake of change or cheapness or listening to Kia.

I'm f**king done with punts on nobodies. I want my club back.

There were plenty of reservations about Gomes, Paunovic, Clement, Clarke, Bowen and Stam on appointment.

Noel is just in charge til the end of season. Even if he keeps us up, 5 games isn't really enough to give him the gig long term. Maybe if he does good stuff and we go down, but if we stay up, it's too big a risk imo.

Yeah exactly, Ince too. That's my point. The clueless Owner has chosen nobodies with the blessing of virtually noone and they've gone on generally to do nothing (good). The only positivity we can ever forge out of the situation every time is that the shit guy has gone. Or that he's just a temporary replacement until the real manager comes along.

I know I'm not saying anything new or exciting, just expressing that I'm just totally fed up of it now. Feels like this cycle is going to continue forever as we slide towards league 2 tbh

[Hound]

Do you think the owner is choosing the manager? Doubt he’ll have anything to do with it other than a call to Bowen to ask how it’s going

Not like he has the slightest clue about football and it’s basically Bowen’s job to choose

[Snowflake Royal]

Do you think the owner is choosing the manager? Doubt he’ll have anything to do with it other than a call to Bowen to ask how it’s going

Not like he has the slightest clue about football and it’s basically Bowen’s job to choose

Confident he didn’t choose Hunt
Who else chose Paunovic?
He chose Bowen.
Who else chose Gomes?
Probably didn’t choose Clement.
Stam appointed before he took over.

[genome]

Nick Blackman weighs in!

https://twitter.com/nblackman89/status/ ... 1031548942

[SCIAG]

Someone tell him about Noel Hunt, Michael Gilkes, and Mikele Leigertwood…

Other than that he’s spot on.

[Royal_jimmy]

Nick Blackman weighs in!

https://twitter.com/nblackman89/status/ ... 1031548942

He wasn't bang on with his shooting boots but this tweet is bang on!

[PATRIQT]

Nick Blackman weighs in!

https://twitter.com/nblackman89/status/ ... 1031548942

He wasn't bang on with his shooting boots but this tweet is bang on!

Would you mind posting a summary of what he's said? Thanks.