MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by Snowflake Royal » 23 Jul 2023 12:50

PieEater You have to wonder what preseason games are all about if we're not going to play our first team. They need to get match fitness, work out how to play together, and try out the new manager tactics.

People say the results don't matter and it's all about fitness. Well it seems it's not even about that if they don't play.

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We played every fit first teamer except the two new signings who only just arrived, Hutchinson and Mbengue.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by blythspartan » 23 Jul 2023 14:16

I really have to laugh about how some of the Saints fans are eulogising over Russell Martin and about how well they played against us. Tbf out of all of the South coast clubs I like the Saints fans the best, and they were far superior than us yesterday. However, we’re at the infancy stage of a rebuild so if I were them I wouldn’t be getting too excited yet. Also, they’ll be losing crucial players before September.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by under the tin » 23 Jul 2023 20:08

blythspartan I really have to laugh about how some of the Saints fans are eulogising over Russell Martin and about how well they played against us. Tbf out of all of the South coast clubs I like the Saints fans the best, and they were far superior than us yesterday. However, we’re at the infancy stage of a rebuild so if I were them I wouldn’t be getting too excited yet. Also, they’ll be losing crucial players before September.


Have to respectfully disagree.
Largely delusional fans who think they support a "big" club,
Not quite as delusional as BHA fans, mind, who think they're Sussex's answer to Real Madrid.
The truly "big" clubs actually WIN stuff. OK, Bobby stokes etc in 1970 something, but otherwise......... *tumbleweed* F.A.
They're also not quite as delusional as bloody Leeds fans, who have legions of them (God only knows why, telly was in black and white when they were last any good, and most of them weren't born then).
Rant over :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by Sutekh » 24 Jul 2023 07:16

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blythspartan I really have to laugh about how some of the Saints fans are eulogising over Russell Martin and about how well they played against us. Tbf out of all of the South coast clubs I like the Saints fans the best, and they were far superior than us yesterday. However, we’re at the infancy stage of a rebuild so if I were them I wouldn’t be getting too excited yet. Also, they’ll be losing crucial players before September.


Have to respectfully disagree.
Largely delusional fans who think they support a "big" club,
Not quite as delusional as BHA fans, mind, who think they're Sussex's answer to Real Madrid.
The truly "big" clubs actually WIN stuff. OK, Bobby stokes etc in 1970 something, but otherwise......... *tumbleweed* F.A.
They're also not quite as delusional as bloody Leeds fans, who have legions of them (God only knows why, telly was in black and white when they were last any good, and most of them weren't born then).
Rant over :lol: :lol: :lol:


Forest too, still trading on 3/4 seasons at the arse end of the 1970s and the start of 1980s!

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by WestYorksRoyal » 24 Jul 2023 07:24

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blythspartan I really have to laugh about how some of the Saints fans are eulogising over Russell Martin and about how well they played against us. Tbf out of all of the South coast clubs I like the Saints fans the best, and they were far superior than us yesterday. However, we’re at the infancy stage of a rebuild so if I were them I wouldn’t be getting too excited yet. Also, they’ll be losing crucial players before September.


Have to respectfully disagree.
Largely delusional fans who think they support a "big" club,
Not quite as delusional as BHA fans, mind, who think they're Sussex's answer to Real Madrid.
The truly "big" clubs actually WIN stuff. OK, Bobby stokes etc in 1970 something, but otherwise......... *tumbleweed* F.A.
They're also not quite as delusional as bloody Leeds fans, who have legions of them (God only knows why, telly was in black and white when they were last any good, and most of them weren't born then).
Rant over :lol: :lol: :lol:


Forest too, still trading on 3/4 seasons at the arse end of the 1970s and the start of 1980s!

I remember when we beat Sheffield United in 2005 with the Bryn brace. On the way out, some of their fans chanted that we'd never won "oxf*rd all". Checking the notes, their last piece of silverware was the FA Cup in 1925, so they must have been seriously old fans to remember that.


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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by Clyde1998 » 24 Jul 2023 08:31

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blythspartan I really have to laugh about how some of the Saints fans are eulogising over Russell Martin and about how well they played against us. Tbf out of all of the South coast clubs I like the Saints fans the best, and they were far superior than us yesterday. However, we’re at the infancy stage of a rebuild so if I were them I wouldn’t be getting too excited yet. Also, they’ll be losing crucial players before September.


Have to respectfully disagree.
Largely delusional fans who think they support a "big" club,
Not quite as delusional as BHA fans, mind, who think they're Sussex's answer to Real Madrid.
The truly "big" clubs actually WIN stuff. OK, Bobby stokes etc in 1970 something, but otherwise......... *tumbleweed* F.A.
They're also not quite as delusional as bloody Leeds fans, who have legions of them (God only knows why, telly was in black and white when they were last any good, and most of them weren't born then).
Rant over :lol: :lol: :lol:

There are, obviously, different ways of determining what's a big club. In terms of number of supporters, there was a survey done by YouGov last month about whether football fans would support the England women's team; the survey was across Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales).

On the question: "Thinking about the football team you support MOST, is it a team that will be in the English Premier League for the 2023-24 season? If so, which team is it? If you do not support a team, or it is not a team in the Premier League, please choose the N/A option. [Asked to those who are interested in football]"
33% N/A; 14% Man Utd; 12% Liverpool; 6% Arsenal & Man City; 5% Chelsea & Tottenham; 4% Newcastle; 3% West Ham; 2% Aston Villa & Everton. [All other Premier League clubs had 0-1% - which is too small to be statistically relevant; Wolves had 2% in England though. Celtic and Rangers would be over 2% had they been options, due to their high levels of support in Scotland.]

The Government's White Paper on football reform included a survey which asked about club supported (England-only): link. Of those who stated a club they support: 11% supported Liverpool; 10% Man Utd; 8% Arsenal; 7% Chelsea; 5% Tottenham; 4% Man City; 4% Leeds; 4% Newcastle; 2% West Ham; 2% Aston Villa; 2% Sunderland; 2% Leicester; 2% West Brom (all others were between 0-1%, which again isn't statistically relevant).

Basically, most clubs aren't very big in the grand scheme of things: a club like West Ham is closer to us in levels of raw support than Man Utd or Liverpool, despite being in the top ten of supported clubs in England. Aside from a handful of clubs, most will draw support from their local area (with the number of supporters largely determined by the size of the area in question); of those who do draw supporters from outside their local area, there's a decent chance there's migratory reasons for it (or those people are just glory hunters).

In terms of Southampton, they're going to have more supporters than us simply because they've been a top flight club for most of the time since the late-60s compared to us being a third tier side for a majority of that time. Southampton may be bigger than most clubs, but they're far from a 'big club' based on how I view the term 'big club'.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by Sutekh » 24 Jul 2023 09:58

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blythspartan I really have to laugh about how some of the Saints fans are eulogising over Russell Martin and about how well they played against us. Tbf out of all of the South coast clubs I like the Saints fans the best, and they were far superior than us yesterday. However, we’re at the infancy stage of a rebuild so if I were them I wouldn’t be getting too excited yet. Also, they’ll be losing crucial players before September.


Have to respectfully disagree.
Largely delusional fans who think they support a "big" club,
Not quite as delusional as BHA fans, mind, who think they're Sussex's answer to Real Madrid.
The truly "big" clubs actually WIN stuff. OK, Bobby stokes etc in 1970 something, but otherwise......... *tumbleweed* F.A.
They're also not quite as delusional as bloody Leeds fans, who have legions of them (God only knows why, telly was in black and white when they were last any good, and most of them weren't born then).
Rant over :lol: :lol: :lol:

There are, obviously, different ways of determining what's a big club. In terms of number of supporters, there was a survey done by YouGov last month about whether football fans would support the England women's team; the survey was across Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales).

On the question: "Thinking about the football team you support MOST, is it a team that will be in the English Premier League for the 2023-24 season? If so, which team is it? If you do not support a team, or it is not a team in the Premier League, please choose the N/A option. [Asked to those who are interested in football]"
33% N/A; 14% Man Utd; 12% Liverpool; 6% Arsenal & Man City; 5% Chelsea & Tottenham; 4% Newcastle; 3% West Ham; 2% Aston Villa & Everton. [All other Premier League clubs had 0-1% - which is too small to be statistically relevant; Wolves had 2% in England though. Celtic and Rangers would be over 2% had they been options, due to their high levels of support in Scotland.]

The Government's White Paper on football reform included a survey which asked about club supported (England-only): link. Of those who stated a club they support: 11% supported Liverpool; 10% Man Utd; 8% Arsenal; 7% Chelsea; 5% Tottenham; 4% Man City; 4% Leeds; 4% Newcastle; 2% West Ham; 2% Aston Villa; 2% Sunderland; 2% Leicester; 2% West Brom (all others were between 0-1%, which again isn't statistically relevant).

Basically, most clubs aren't very big in the grand scheme of things: a club like West Ham is closer to us in levels of raw support than Man Utd or Liverpool, despite being in the top ten of supported clubs in England. Aside from a handful of clubs, most will draw support from their local area (with the number of supporters largely determined by the size of the area in question); of those who do draw supporters from outside their local area, there's a decent chance there's migratory reasons for it (or those people are just glory hunters).

In terms of Southampton, they're going to have more supporters than us simply because they've been a top flight club for most of the time since the late-60s compared to us being a third tier side for a majority of that time. Southampton may be bigger than most clubs, but they're far from a 'big club' based on how I view the term 'big club'.


The Saints spent much of their life in the same division as Reading until their ambition finally paid off and they got to the 1st division in 1966 and they've more or less stayed there ever since with just a couple of seasons back in division 2 in the 1970s and again back in divisions 2 & 3 in the 00s before managing another 10/11 years or so in the top flight prior to their relegation this summer.

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by under the tin » 24 Jul 2023 10:55

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blythspartan I really have to laugh about how some of the Saints fans are eulogising over Russell Martin and about how well they played against us. Tbf out of all of the South coast clubs I like the Saints fans the best, and they were far superior than us yesterday. However, we’re at the infancy stage of a rebuild so if I were them I wouldn’t be getting too excited yet. Also, they’ll be losing crucial players before September.


Have to respectfully disagree.
Largely delusional fans who think they support a "big" club,
Not quite as delusional as BHA fans, mind, who think they're Sussex's answer to Real Madrid.
The truly "big" clubs actually WIN stuff. OK, Bobby stokes etc in 1970 something, but otherwise......... *tumbleweed* F.A.
They're also not quite as delusional as bloody Leeds fans, who have legions of them (God only knows why, telly was in black and white when they were last any good, and most of them weren't born then).
Rant over :lol: :lol: :lol:

There are, obviously, different ways of determining what's a big club. In terms of number of supporters, there was a survey done by YouGov last month about whether football fans would support the England women's team; the survey was across Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales).

On the question: "Thinking about the football team you support MOST, is it a team that will be in the English Premier League for the 2023-24 season? If so, which team is it? If you do not support a team, or it is not a team in the Premier League, please choose the N/A option. [Asked to those who are interested in football]"
33% N/A; 14% Man Utd; 12% Liverpool; 6% Arsenal & Man City; 5% Chelsea & Tottenham; 4% Newcastle; 3% West Ham; 2% Aston Villa & Everton. [All other Premier League clubs had 0-1% - which is too small to be statistically relevant; Wolves had 2% in England though. Celtic and Rangers would be over 2% had they been options, due to their high levels of support in Scotland.]

The Government's White Paper on football reform included a survey which asked about club supported (England-only): link. Of those who stated a club they support: 11% supported Liverpool; 10% Man Utd; 8% Arsenal; 7% Chelsea; 5% Tottenham; 4% Man City; 4% Leeds; 4% Newcastle; 2% West Ham; 2% Aston Villa; 2% Sunderland; 2% Leicester; 2% West Brom (all others were between 0-1%, which again isn't statistically relevant).

Basically, most clubs aren't very big in the grand scheme of things: a club like West Ham is closer to us in levels of raw support than Man Utd or Liverpool, despite being in the top ten of supported clubs in England. Aside from a handful of clubs, most will draw support from their local area (with the number of supporters largely determined by the size of the area in question); of those who do draw supporters from outside their local area, there's a decent chance there's migratory reasons for it (or those people are just glory hunters).

In terms of Southampton, they're going to have more supporters than us simply because they've been a top flight club for most of the time since the late-60s compared to us being a third tier side for a majority of that time. Southampton may be bigger than most clubs, but they're far from a 'big club' based on how I view the term 'big club'.

I've no argument when saying Saints are a bigger club than Reading. They're one of very, very many.
But using the data which you have carefully researched, thanks, the top 5 in both reflects my definition of a big club.
How many trophies between Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh.
The outlier *again* is bloody Leeds. Grrrr. :twisted:

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Re: MATCHWATCH : Southampton (h)

by CountryRoyal » 24 Jul 2023 12:45

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blythspartan I really have to laugh about how some of the Saints fans are eulogising over Russell Martin and about how well they played against us. Tbf out of all of the South coast clubs I like the Saints fans the best, and they were far superior than us yesterday. However, we’re at the infancy stage of a rebuild so if I were them I wouldn’t be getting too excited yet. Also, they’ll be losing crucial players before September.


Have to respectfully disagree.
Largely delusional fans who think they support a "big" club,
Not quite as delusional as BHA fans, mind, who think they're Sussex's answer to Real Madrid.
The truly "big" clubs actually WIN stuff. OK, Bobby stokes etc in 1970 something, but otherwise......... *tumbleweed* F.A.
They're also not quite as delusional as bloody Leeds fans, who have legions of them (God only knows why, telly was in black and white when they were last any good, and most of them weren't born then).
Rant over :lol: :lol: :lol:

There are, obviously, different ways of determining what's a big club. In terms of number of supporters, there was a survey done by YouGov last month about whether football fans would support the England women's team; the survey was across Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales).

On the question: "Thinking about the football team you support MOST, is it a team that will be in the English Premier League for the 2023-24 season? If so, which team is it? If you do not support a team, or it is not a team in the Premier League, please choose the N/A option. [Asked to those who are interested in football]"
33% N/A; 14% Man Utd; 12% Liverpool; 6% Arsenal & Man City; 5% Chelsea & Tottenham; 4% Newcastle; 3% West Ham; 2% Aston Villa & Everton. [All other Premier League clubs had 0-1% - which is too small to be statistically relevant; Wolves had 2% in England though. Celtic and Rangers would be over 2% had they been options, due to their high levels of support in Scotland.]

The Government's White Paper on football reform included a survey which asked about club supported (England-only): link. Of those who stated a club they support: 11% supported Liverpool; 10% Man Utd; 8% Arsenal; 7% Chelsea; 5% Tottenham; 4% Man City; 4% Leeds; 4% Newcastle; 2% West Ham; 2% Aston Villa; 2% Sunderland; 2% Leicester; 2% West Brom (all others were between 0-1%, which again isn't statistically relevant).

Basically, most clubs aren't very big in the grand scheme of things: a club like West Ham is closer to us in levels of raw support than Man Utd or Liverpool, despite being in the top ten of supported clubs in England. Aside from a handful of clubs, most will draw support from their local area (with the number of supporters largely determined by the size of the area in question); of those who do draw supporters from outside their local area, there's a decent chance there's migratory reasons for it (or those people are just glory hunters).

In terms of Southampton, they're going to have more supporters than us simply because they've been a top flight club for most of the time since the late-60s compared to us being a third tier side for a majority of that time. Southampton may be bigger than most clubs, but they're far from a 'big club' based on how I view the term 'big club'.


I would always categorise size of club depending on;

Fan base
Current success
(Relatively recent) historical success
Financial power


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by Snowflake Royal » 24 Jul 2023 12:50

Agree with that.

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