Leroy's headbutt

[Mr Angry]

I would also request a personal hearing, and then Leroy can tell the FA that he was verbally provoked by the Charlton bloke; a precedent was set after the WC Final, and El Kharkouri will also be banned.

[TWRoyal]

I'm in favour of Leroy getting a ban. He did this in a game earlier this season when he was headbutting backwards in the wall and I screamed at the telly that we didn't need to be playing with 10 men. Karkouri might have done us a favour by highlighting this when we're already safe - that said, I'm not holding my breath that Lita will learn from a mistake.

[Behindu]

If you charge everyone who gets involved in the pushing and shoving in the wall or at corners then the league would stop after 2 games.....

Watch John Terry, Rio Ferdinand or Sonks at set pieces - red card offences all the time both by and on them yet rarely even a free kick.

[SpaceCruiser]

I'm in favour of Leroy getting a ban. He did this in a game earlier this season when he was headbutting backwards in the wall and I screamed at the telly that we didn't need to be playing with 10 men. Karkouri might have done us a favour by highlighting this when we're already safe - that said, I'm not holding my breath that Lita will learn from a mistake.

Oh, don't be so stupid.

[Hoop Blah]

If you charge everyone who gets involved in the pushing and shoving in the wall or at corners then the league would stop after 2 games.....

Watch John Terry, Rio Ferdinand or Sonks at set pieces - red card offences all the time both by and on them yet rarely even a free kick.

I take your point but jostling and a bit of pulling, which goes on all the time and could be penalised, is slightly different to a headbutt.

[TFF]

I'm in favour of Leroy getting a ban. He did this in a game earlier this season when he was headbutting backwards in the wall and I screamed at the telly that we didn't need to be playing with 10 men. Karkouri might have done us a favour by highlighting this when we're already safe - that said, I'm not holding my breath that Lita will learn from a mistake.

I saw that too

http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55619

I hope he sorts himself out - he's on the verge of great things IMHO

[TWRoyal]

I'm in favour of Leroy getting a ban. He did this in a game earlier this season when he was headbutting backwards in the wall and I screamed at the telly that we didn't need to be playing with 10 men. Karkouri might have done us a favour by highlighting this when we're already safe - that said, I'm not holding my breath that Lita will learn from a mistake.

Oh, don't be so stupid.

I'm sorry but he's not quite in control of all his faculties if he thinks it's okay to aim a headbutt (not a push or a tug) at an opponent - at least twice. He needs to get rid of this attitude. I don't agree with people who say it adds to his (or Rooney's) play - just think how much better these players could be if they could concentrate on football rather than all this macho sh!t.

[Behindu]

I take your point but jostling and a bit of pulling, which goes on all the time and could be penalised, is slightly different to a headbutt.

What Leroy did wasn't a head butt though...

Any more than the waving off arms at a corner is a punch.

[TWRoyal]

I take your point but jostling and a bit of pulling, which goes on all the time and could be penalised, is slightly different to a headbutt.

What Leroy did wasn't a head butt though...

Any more than the waving off arms at a corner is a punch.

So he should only get a ban if he connects with his next one?

[Behindu]

I'd think givinghim 3 chances to get a proper connection sounds fair.

Can we nominate who he goes up against - I'd argue for Emre....

[fool]

Not one for gossip, but I read this on the beeb gossip page,

West Brom midfielder Jason Koumas is a target for Blackburn while Baggies striker Diomansy Kamara is wanted by Reading. (Daily Mirror)

http://www.wba.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Squad/PlayersDetail/0,,10366~31115,00.html

Interesting

[Hoop Blah]

I take your point but jostling and a bit of pulling, which goes on all the time and could be penalised, is slightly different to a headbutt.

What Leroy did wasn't a head butt though...

Any more than the waving off arms at a corner is a punch.

Moving your arms about and using your hands to keep tabs of your opponent is allowable. Making a headbutting action is not. Therefore in the real world it's much easier to penalise a headbutt as there is no reason for doing it apart from to be violent and so it's more black and white than a bit of puching and shoving.

[Behindu]

Although at set pieces you see shirt pulling, kicking, digs in the ribs, holding - endless infringements, many of which have an element of violent intent.

Not disagreeing about headbutts being wrong, but there are grey areas and I don;t think Leroy was actually trying to headbutt a bloke quite a bit taller than him !

[paultheroyal]

Just seen the footage - yes a meal was made of it - but intent was there - contact was made even if it was light - he will get punished and will get at least a 3 game ban.

Coppell will not be impressed. Lita wont start again this season now.

Yes - come on Rhys - why the laughter?

[Hoop Blah]

Although at set pieces you see shirt pulling, kicking, digs in the ribs, holding - endless infringements, many of which have an element of violent intent.

Not disagreeing about headbutts being wrong, but there are grey areas and I don;t think Leroy was actually trying to headbutt a bloke quite a bit taller than him !

Why not?

[RoyalBlue]

Although at set pieces you see shirt pulling, kicking, digs in the ribs, holding - endless infringements, many of which have an element of violent intent.

Not disagreeing about headbutts being wrong, but there are grey areas and I don;t think Leroy was actually trying to headbutt a bloke quite a bit taller than him !

I agree. It was more show than intent. I'd be interested in knowing what caused the 'gesture' but I doubt that we will ever find out because the FA don't appear to respond well to any plea in mitigation.

[TWRoyal]

Although at set pieces you see shirt pulling, kicking, digs in the ribs, holding - endless infringements, many of which have an element of violent intent.

Not disagreeing about headbutts being wrong, but there are grey areas and I don;t think Leroy was actually trying to headbutt a bloke quite a bit taller than him !

Just a little kissy-wissy? Blinkers off.

[BR2]

All Leroy needs to do is say that Al Kakouri made a racist remark and he'll probably get off altogether.
The fact that Al Kakouri probably doesn't speak much English won't matter-look at the precedent with Emre at Newcastle.

[Behindu]

Although at set pieces you see shirt pulling, kicking, digs in the ribs, holding - endless infringements, many of which have an element of violent intent.

Not disagreeing about headbutts being wrong, but there are grey areas and I don;t think Leroy was actually trying to headbutt a bloke quite a bit taller than him !

Why not?

Because of what can be seen on the video ?

Why do you think he was trying to inflict harm on the bloke ?

[Hoop Blah]

Although at set pieces you see shirt pulling, kicking, digs in the ribs, holding - endless infringements, many of which have an element of violent intent.

Not disagreeing about headbutts being wrong, but there are grey areas and I don;t think Leroy was actually trying to headbutt a bloke quite a bit taller than him !

Why not?

Because of what can be seen on the video ?

Why do you think he was trying to inflict harm on the bloke ?

I think he was trying to headbutt him, not necessarily hard enough to inflict much harm, if any. Why? because he clearly flicked his head at him, I certainly don't think it was accidental!

It's hardly uncommon for footballers to let out a bit of frustration/anger on an opponent. And Mr Lita hardly has a clean copy book for petulant violent behaviour.

I can't see any reason why you'd think he wasn't trying to headbutt him.