Nicky Shorey

[The Goat was fed]

For me, it was the low point of ther season - I inwardly cringed when I heard the booing.

I'm a Shorey fan, but he had a poorest game he's ever had for us on Saturday. But the booing was inexcusable and summed up the malaise of the club at the moment. Players not up to it, club hierarchy not up to it, fans not up to it.

Time to regroup in the Championship. Anybody who thinks we - collectively - deserve to stay in this division it kidding themselves.

[RoyalBlue]

Don't agree with the booing (although strangely it did appear to focus his mind a bit more) but his delivery from dead ball situations was absolutely shocking on Saturday and wasted what few promising opportunities we had. £25K a week and he can't even put a corner into the right part of the pitch, instead sending it over everyone's head and out wide on the opposite side of the pitch!

And the shocking state of our national team really is emphasised by the fact that such a dreadfully one-footed player gets to play for his country!

Just what sort of ludicrous wages would he command if he could kick a ball with his right foot as well?

[Cookie]

This week's Chronicle (page 5 Thur May 1st)

States that Shorey is earning £1,200,000. Coppell is also earning £1,200,000.

The average full time wage in Reading is £28,379.

It's quite clear that Madejski won't sanction salaries like that in the Champoinship.

Why does that come as such a surprise?

Our top earners are on £20-25k, there's no secret in that and Shorey is one of our top earners.

I would assume that those top earners will have some sort of wage cut stipulated in their contract in case we go down though.

No. It's not a surprise. I just put it up here because it seemed relevant to the discussion.

[Silver Fox]

I've not been on here since Saturday but if royalee, RoyalBlue and the torquay fan are berating people for booing Shorey when he took that corner I'm proud to stand up and confess that I did so, and I've never booed the team or a player before. He has been a great servant for us but in the last few games he has given up as he knows his future is elsewhere and that is frankly unacceptable. the fact that the aforementioned triumvirate are the three worst posters on this board makes me think I'm probably in the right.

BTW how are the results of the POTY award relevant to this argument anyway?

[RoyalBlue]

I've not been on here since Saturday but if royalee, RoyalBlue and the torquay fan are berating people for booing Shorey when he took that corner I'm proud to stand up and confess that I did so, and I've never booed the team or a player before. He has been a great servant for us but in the last few games he has given up as he knows his future is elsewhere and that is frankly unacceptable. the fact that the aforementioned triumvirate are the three worst posters on this board makes me think I'm probably in the right.

And just how did your magnificent contribution on Saturday help either the player or the team?!

It's one thing debating the abilities/rights & wrongs of players on here, it's a very different thing picking on them during a game.

And if Shorey's attitude has been as you say, then the real culprit is Coppell for failing to spot it and continuing to play him.

If you think I'm one of the worst posters on this board then I am pretty confident I must be posting something right!

This week's Chronicle (page 5 Thur May 1st)

States that Shorey is earning £1,200,000. Coppell is also earning £1,200,000.

The average full time wage in Reading is £28,379.

It's quite clear that Madejski won't sanction salaries like that in the Champoinship.

Why does that come as such a surprise?

Our top earners are on £20-25k, there's no secret in that and Shorey is one of our top earners.

I would assume that those top earners will have some sort of wage cut stipulated in their contract in case we go down though.

No. It's not a surprise. I just put it up here because it seemed relevant to the discussion.

I think I can say without fear of contradiction (even from Silver Fox) that Shorey has not earned £1.2M thus season!!

[1871royals]

Shorey used to be one of my favourite players but its obvious he doesn’t want to play for us anymore. In hindsight it makes Sidwells attitude look v professional. Everyone moaning about his crossing, imo it was the worst his crossing ever been, but still better then MR POTY S Hunt is every week. Unfortunately Shorey isn’t giving his maximum but is still top of our assists chart I think he’s got the most assists for a defender in the prem. 90th Min Pride Park we need to score who would you rather take a corner MR POTY or N Shorey. That’s what I find immensely frustrating about Shorey is that even though he doesn’t want to play for us we still need him badly.

[Southbank Old Boy]

I'd be interested to know Coppell's views on Shorey's season and how badly he's been affected by the transfer speculation.

I wonder how well Sidwell would've played in this season had it been his last. As much as I respect him for last seasons efforts, professionalism and his performances, it must've been a lot easier last year in a confident side than playing in the shambles of a side we've seen this season.

[seahawk10]

Time to regroup in the Championship. Anybody who thinks we - collectively - deserve to stay in this division it kidding themselves.

Whether we deserve it or not we have a real chance to stay up. By losing to both Fulham and Bolton at home we have pissed away our best chances of ensuring survival. But we might get lucky and stay up undeservedly.

[Alan Partridge]

I've not been on here since Saturday but if royalee, RoyalBlue and the torquay fan are berating people for booing Shorey when he took that corner I'm proud to stand up and confess that I did so, and I've never booed the team or a player before. He has been a great servant for us but in the last few games he has given up as he knows his future is elsewhere and that is frankly unacceptable. the fact that the aforementioned triumvirate are the three worst posters on this board makes me think I'm probably in the right.

BTW how are the results of the POTY award relevant to this argument anyway?

Well done you. No seriously well done. You booed a player who has been outstanding for Reading for the last 6 years because of a few poor corners. You must have been booing a lot at games this season.

[gazzer, loyal royal]

I said it on here months ago that Shorey's set piece delivery ahs been poor. He can't beat the first man and if he does it goes too far. However with the pace he is trying to get on the ball any little bit of mistiming causes it to be over hit. However, its not all his fault, if this has been so bad this year should we not have someone running to the back of the 6 yard box to at least try and head it back across?

[brendywendy]

Time to regroup in the Championship. Anybody who thinks we - collectively - deserve to stay in this division it kidding themselves.

Whether we deserve it or not we have a real chance to stay up. By losing to both Fulham and Bolton at home we have pissed away our best chances of ensuring survival. But we might get lucky and stay up undeservedly.

if we finish in 17th, it will be deserved, if we go down, itll be deserved
its all about the 38 games

[rhroyal]

If we'd beaten Fulham we'd be safe by now. If Rosenior's deflected shot had gone in against Spurs it would be in our own hands now. SO many ifs, and I'll be doing that for ages if we go down. If we stay up I'll always think "What if the linesman against Sunderland hadn't gifted us a winner" mind you.

[Alan Partridge]

If we'd beaten Fulham we'd be safe by now. If Rosenior's deflected shot had gone in against Spurs it would be in our own hands now. SO many ifs, and I'll be doing that for ages if we go down. If we stay up I'll always think "What if the linesman against Sunderland hadn't gifted us a winner" mind you.

If we hadn't let 7 in at Pompey, or 6 in at Spurs

[Wycombe Royal]

I've not been on here since Saturday but if royalee, RoyalBlue and the torquay fan are berating people for booing Shorey when he took that corner I'm proud to stand up and confess that I did so, and I've never booed the team or a player before. He has been a great servant for us but in the last few games he has given up as he knows his future is elsewhere and that is frankly unacceptable. the fact that the aforementioned triumvirate are the three worst posters on this board makes me think I'm probably in the right.

And just how did your magnificent contribution on Saturday help either the player or the team?!

As someone else pointed out he did actually play better AFTER the booing, however I still think it was out of order whilst the match was in progress.

[Dr Hfuhruhurr]

I've not been on here since Saturday but if royalee, RoyalBlue and the torquay fan are berating people for booing Shorey when he took that corner I'm proud to stand up and confess that I did so, and I've never booed the team or a player before. He has been a great servant for us but in the last few games he has given up as he knows his future is elsewhere and that is frankly unacceptable. the fact that the aforementioned triumvirate are the three worst posters on this board makes me think I'm probably in the right.

BTW how are the results of the POTY award relevant to this argument anyway?

Well done you. No seriously well done. You booed a player who has been outstanding for Reading for the last 6 years because of a few poor corners. You must have been booing a lot at games this season.

No, he booed a player because
He has been a great servant for us but in the last few games he has given up as he knows his future is elsewhere and that is frankly unacceptable.
Its actually in the bit you quoted, shame you didnt read it. The word 'corner' isnt anywhere.

[Alan Partridge]

I've not been on here since Saturday but if royalee, RoyalBlue and the torquay fan are berating people for booing Shorey when he took that corner I'm proud to stand up and confess that I did so, and I've never booed the team or a player before. He has been a great servant for us but in the last few games he has given up as he knows his future is elsewhere and that is frankly unacceptable. the fact that the aforementioned triumvirate are the three worst posters on this board makes me think I'm probably in the right.

BTW how are the results of the POTY award relevant to this argument anyway?

Well done you. No seriously well done. You booed a player who has been outstanding for Reading for the last 6 years because of a few poor corners. You must have been booing a lot at games this season.

No, he booed a player because
He has been a great servant for us but in the last few games he has given up as he knows his future is elsewhere and that is frankly unacceptable.
Its actually in the bit you quoted, shame you didnt read it. The word 'corner' isnt anywhere.

If Shorey had 'given up' why did he even bother stopping us go 2 down when Bent had a tap in?

[Dr Hfuhruhurr]

If Shorey had 'given up' why did he even bother stopping us go 2 down when Bent had a tap in?

LOL. Desperate times call for desperate measures, eh?
Are you saying that Shorey shouldnt be booed because he completed a moment of defending?

The fact is AP, you called the booers plastic only to be told they had been going for decades. Then they tell you why they booed and, you ignore it and tell them they booed for some other reason. It almost like you have a lot to say on a subject you know nothing about. If your defence for Shorey is one incident in a 2008 of mediocrity, I would give up now.

The fact is it happened ,and Im very sorry that something happened that you didnt sanction in advance. Get over it, because your protestations carry all the gravitas of an angry 10 year old boy.

As for the person who said 'What did it achieve'. The answer is 'Nothing'. Maybe itll give Shorey something to think about against Derby, but I doubt it, he doesnt seem that bothered. I dont remember the booing breaking up an unfaltering period of vociferous support, however. It was just an incident like someone showing their disapproval at Hunt being POTY.

[Alan Partridge]

If Shorey had 'given up' why did he even bother stopping us go 2 down when Bent had a tap in?

LOL. Desperate times call for desperate measures, eh?
Are you saying that Shorey shouldnt be booed because he completed a moment of defending?

The fact is AP, you called the booers plastic only to be told they had been going for decades. Then they tell you why they booed and, you ignore it and tell them they booed for some other reason. It almost like you have a lot to say on a subject you know nothing about. If your defence for Shorey is one incident in a 2008 of mediocrity, I would give up now.

The fact is it happened ,and Im very sorry that something happened that you didnt sanction in advance. Get over it, because your protestations carry all the gravitas of an angry 10 year old boy.

As for the person who said 'What did it achieve'. The answer is 'Nothing'. Maybe itll give Shorey something to think about against Derby, but I doubt it, he doesnt seem that bothered. I dont remember the booing breaking up an unfaltering period of vociferous support, however. It was just an incident like someone showing their disapproval at Hunt being POTY.

You seriously, honestly think Shorey 'has given up' then? People started booing him once he overhit that 2nd corner, that's not given up, that's playing shit with zero confidence forcing a mistake. If he had 'given up' then he wouldn't have made that last ditch challenge when Bent was through he'd have stood there and thought sod it.

I just find it excpetionally sad that Nicky Shorey of all of our players was the one singled out for heavy criticism, someone that before this season had probably had about 5 really poor games in 6 years service at the club. Not saying he's untouchable because I too have been critical of him at times this season, i don't think for one moment he has been anything near the standard he set last season but to boo one of our own players, not just that but one of our best and most important players isn't helping anyone and is ultimately just a very sad thing to happen. also, ever heard yourself boo? Sounds a bit silly really, suppose for Derby might get a Giant foam hand and start pointing it down whenever Shorey takes a corner.

[Royalee]

If Shorey had 'given up' why did he even bother stopping us go 2 down when Bent had a tap in?

LOL. Desperate times call for desperate measures, eh?
Are you saying that Shorey shouldnt be booed because he completed a moment of defending?

The fact is AP, you called the booers plastic only to be told they had been going for decades. Then they tell you why they booed and, you ignore it and tell them they booed for some other reason. It almost like you have a lot to say on a subject you know nothing about. If your defence for Shorey is one incident in a 2008 of mediocrity, I would give up now.

The fact is it happened ,and Im very sorry that something happened that you didnt sanction in advance. Get over it, because your protestations carry all the gravitas of an angry 10 year old boy.

As for the person who said 'What did it achieve'. The answer is 'Nothing'. Maybe itll give Shorey something to think about against Derby, but I doubt it, he doesnt seem that bothered. I dont remember the booing breaking up an unfaltering period of vociferous support, however. It was just an incident like someone showing their disapproval at Hunt being POTY.

You seriously, honestly think Shorey 'has given up' then? People started booing him once he overhit that 2nd corner, that's not given up, that's playing shit with zero confidence forcing a mistake. If he had 'given up' then he wouldn't have made that last ditch challenge when Bent was through he'd have stood there and thought sod it.

I just find it excpetionally sad that Nicky Shorey of all of our players was the one singled out for heavy criticism, someone that before this season had probably had about 5 really poor games in 6 years service at the club. Not saying he's untouchable because I too have been critical of him at times this season, i don't think for one moment he has been anything near the standard he set last season but to boo one of our own players, not just that but one of our best and most important players isn't helping anyone and is ultimately just a very sad thing to happen. also, ever heard yourself boo? Sounds a bit silly really, suppose for Derby might get a Giant foam hand and start pointing it down whenever Shorey takes a corner.

Cracking post

[brendywendy]

its not about effort, its not about skill or ability
its about him daring to think that maybe he could achieve something more at a bigger club than reading
its about him having an ounce of ambition.

and its about our booing totally confirming the thoughts he has been having about loyalty to RFC