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by Dirk Gently » 23 Oct 2023 15:15

RoyalBlue The EFL had clearly placed a deposit on a crystal ball at the time they approved Dai's purchase. It's just a shame they didn't use it enough!

"The EFL can confirm that they have no objections to the change of control application made by Reading Football Club," a statement issued on Wednesday morning read.

"Following a full review of the transaction, the EFL has insisted upon - and the club/new owners have agreed to - a number of additional reporting requirements including enhanced financial monitoring, so as to ensure that their performance is consistent with the application we have considered.

"We would like to wish the new majority shareholders Mr Yongge Dai and Miss Xui Li Dai the very best of luck in their future endeavours with the club."


The essential problem is that the EFL are strapped for cash, and so they can't do the in-depth forensic accounting and investigating that's properly needed to test the credentials of overseas "investors". They're also shit-scared of the fact that they might get sued by someone they turn down and that might actually ruin them - they're absolutely not a wealthy organisation.

The PL, in contrast, have oodles of cash so they can do proper financial investigations - they use private investigators in tax havens, for instance, and some of what they come up with isn't necessarily the kind of legitimate stuff that can be shared with another organisation such as the EFL.

The whole thing is just a mess and should be replaced with some kind of bond or licensing scheme.

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by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Oct 2023 15:24

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RoyalBlue The EFL had clearly placed a deposit on a crystal ball at the time they approved Dai's purchase. It's just a shame they didn't use it enough!

"The EFL can confirm that they have no objections to the change of control application made by Reading Football Club," a statement issued on Wednesday morning read.

"Following a full review of the transaction, the EFL has insisted upon - and the club/new owners have agreed to - a number of additional reporting requirements including enhanced financial monitoring, so as to ensure that their performance is consistent with the application we have considered.

"We would like to wish the new majority shareholders Mr Yongge Dai and Miss Xui Li Dai the very best of luck in their future endeavours with the club."


The essential problem is that the EFL are strapped for cash, and so they can't do the in-depth forensic accounting and investigating that's properly needed to test the credentials of overseas "investors". They're also shit-scared of the fact that they might get sued by someone they turn down and that might actually ruin them - they're absolutely not a wealthy organisation.

The PL, in contrast, have oodles of cash so they can do proper financial investigations - they use private investigators in tax havens, for instance, and some of what they come up with isn't necessarily the kind of legitimate stuff that can be shared with another organisation such as the EFL.

The whole thing is just a mess and should be replaced with some kind of bond or licensing scheme.

Plus the stocks for bad owners. Maybe draw the line at heavy objects and faeces, but rotten food and eggs would be enough to make them think twice. Especially for Dai who just wants to be left in private.

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by Dirk Gently » 23 Oct 2023 15:26

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RoyalBlue The EFL had clearly placed a deposit on a crystal ball at the time they approved Dai's purchase. It's just a shame they didn't use it enough!



The essential problem is that the EFL are strapped for cash, and so they can't do the in-depth forensic accounting and investigating that's properly needed to test the credentials of overseas "investors". They're also shit-scared of the fact that they might get sued by someone they turn down and that might actually ruin them - they're absolutely not a wealthy organisation.

The PL, in contrast, have oodles of cash so they can do proper financial investigations - they use private investigators in tax havens, for instance, and some of what they come up with isn't necessarily the kind of legitimate stuff that can be shared with another organisation such as the EFL.

The whole thing is just a mess and should be replaced with some kind of bond or licensing scheme.

Plus the stocks for bad owners. Maybe draw the line at heavy objects and faeces, but rotten food and eggs would be enough to make them think twice. Especially for Dai who just wants to be left in private.


Not quite sure that's an option that would encourage an absentee owner to become any less absent.

The essential problem here is that Dai has lost interest and disappeared, so all the marches, protests and tennis balls in the world won't have a direct effect upon him, and he's the one person in the world who the whole thing is dependent upon.

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by Snowflake Royal » 23 Oct 2023 16:44

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RoyalBlue The EFL had clearly placed a deposit on a crystal ball at the time they approved Dai's purchase. It's just a shame they didn't use it enough!

"The EFL can confirm that they have no objections to the change of control application made by Reading Football Club," a statement issued on Wednesday morning read.

"Following a full review of the transaction, the EFL has insisted upon - and the club/new owners have agreed to - a number of additional reporting requirements including enhanced financial monitoring, so as to ensure that their performance is consistent with the application we have considered.

"We would like to wish the new majority shareholders Mr Yongge Dai and Miss Xui Li Dai the very best of luck in their future endeavours with the club."


The essential problem is that the EFL are strapped for cash, and so they can't do the in-depth forensic accounting and investigating that's properly needed to test the credentials of overseas "investors". They're also shit-scared of the fact that they might get sued by someone they turn down and that might actually ruin them - they're absolutely not a wealthy organisation.

The PL, in contrast, have oodles of cash so they can do proper financial investigations - they use private investigators in tax havens, for instance, and some of what they come up with isn't necessarily the kind of legitimate stuff that can be shared with another organisation such as the EFL.

The whole thing is just a mess and should be replaced with some kind of bond or licensing scheme.

Not to mention that our financial woes are largely self inflicted through incompetence. Something no owner test will ever prevent, followed by financial troubles 6 years later. Something no financial investigation, however forensic, will predict.

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by WestYorksRoyal » 23 Oct 2023 17:00

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RoyalBlue The EFL had clearly placed a deposit on a crystal ball at the time they approved Dai's purchase. It's just a shame they didn't use it enough!



The essential problem is that the EFL are strapped for cash, and so they can't do the in-depth forensic accounting and investigating that's properly needed to test the credentials of overseas "investors". They're also shit-scared of the fact that they might get sued by someone they turn down and that might actually ruin them - they're absolutely not a wealthy organisation.

The PL, in contrast, have oodles of cash so they can do proper financial investigations - they use private investigators in tax havens, for instance, and some of what they come up with isn't necessarily the kind of legitimate stuff that can be shared with another organisation such as the EFL.

The whole thing is just a mess and should be replaced with some kind of bond or licensing scheme.

Not to mention that our financial woes are largely self inflicted through incompetence. Something no owner test will ever prevent, followed by financial troubles 6 years later. Something no financial investigation, however forensic, will predict.

Yep. He had the funds, wasn't a convicted criminal or anything. The issue is approval is a one time thing with no subsequent powers except embargoes, points deductions and menial individual fines, all of which are applied after the mismanagement has occurred.

There should be a requirement for every club to demonstrate that wages and transfer fee amortisation are forecast to be <70% of income at the start of the season, and also deposit enough funding to ensure they will remain viable.

But it won't happen. How many clubs have been before us? Nothing's changed. If we ever get our shit together and rebuild, we'll replace a club like QPR, WBA, Stoke or Blackburn in the Championship who have got themselves into a similar mess.


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by YorkshireRoyal99 » 24 Oct 2023 08:28

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The essential problem is that the EFL are strapped for cash, and so they can't do the in-depth forensic accounting and investigating that's properly needed to test the credentials of overseas "investors". They're also shit-scared of the fact that they might get sued by someone they turn down and that might actually ruin them - they're absolutely not a wealthy organisation.

The PL, in contrast, have oodles of cash so they can do proper financial investigations - they use private investigators in tax havens, for instance, and some of what they come up with isn't necessarily the kind of legitimate stuff that can be shared with another organisation such as the EFL.

The whole thing is just a mess and should be replaced with some kind of bond or licensing scheme.

Not to mention that our financial woes are largely self inflicted through incompetence. Something no owner test will ever prevent, followed by financial troubles 6 years later. Something no financial investigation, however forensic, will predict.

Yep. He had the funds, wasn't a convicted criminal or anything. The issue is approval is a one time thing with no subsequent powers except embargoes, points deductions and menial individual fines, all of which are applied after the mismanagement has occurred.

There should be a requirement for every club to demonstrate that wages and transfer fee amortisation are forecast to be <70% of income at the start of the season, and also deposit enough funding to ensure they will remain viable.

But it won't happen. How many clubs have been before us? Nothing's changed. If we ever get our shit together and rebuild, we'll replace a club like QPR, WBA, Stoke or Blackburn in the Championship who have got themselves into a similar mess.


On point 2, I was just about to add that maybe there should be some sort of regulation in place to sanction clubs of financial transactions, be it a transfer, loan, wages for the season, even looking to developing their facilities. I wonder whether that would be practical though.

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by Royal_jimmy » 24 Oct 2023 13:37

On another topic, are any of you going to the march on Saturday? anyone know how many people might turn out? if we can get even 300-400 that'll be awesome

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by Royals and Racers » 25 Oct 2023 14:33

windermereROYAL Wondering what the route will be for the march and if will be instructed to stick to the pavements, I`m assuming Southampton st and Basingstoke rd.
In 83 it was down the middle of Oxford rd.

Think it will be Castle Street and then at Castle Hill roundabout straight on to A33 all the way to the stadium.( using underpasses when needed) All on pavements

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by windermereROYAL » 25 Oct 2023 14:37

So the only people that will see the march is people driving by in cars, defeats the object for me.


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by NathStPaul » 25 Oct 2023 14:40

windermereROYAL So the only people that will see the march is people driving by in cars, defeats the object for me.

I doubt they'll be the ONLY people to see the march.

HTH

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by morganb » 25 Oct 2023 14:42

Royal_jimmy On another topic, are any of you going to the march on Saturday? anyone know how many people might turn out? if we can get even 300-400 that'll be awesome


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by Stranded » 25 Oct 2023 14:48

windermereROYAL So the only people that will see the march is people driving by in cars, defeats the object for me.


I'm pretty sure there will be press and tv invited to cover and likely will.

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by Brogue » 25 Oct 2023 17:07

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Royal_jimmy On another topic, are any of you going to the march on Saturday? anyone know how many people might turn out? if we can get even 300-400 that'll be awesome


In! My boys want to be part of Reading history

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oh just look out for the noncey looking ones


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by NathStPaul » 25 Oct 2023 17:21

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Royal_jimmy On another topic, are any of you going to the march on Saturday? anyone know how many people might turn out? if we can get even 300-400 that'll be awesome


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by Pepe the Horseman » 25 Oct 2023 17:35

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Royal_jimmy On another topic, are any of you going to the march on Saturday? anyone know how many people might turn out? if we can get even 300-400 that'll be awesome


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And will be wearing a Reading FC fleece.

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by blythspartan » 25 Oct 2023 17:56

There possibly could be more Pompey fans than Reading fans during the march on Saturday. I see we have invited them to join in our protest, but not something we’d have done in the 70s. I’ll always remember them taking over the South Bank and belting out the Pompey chimes.

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by Pepe the Horseman » 25 Oct 2023 18:15

blythspartan There possibly could be more Pompey fans than Reading fans during the march on Saturday. I see we have invited them to join in our protest, but not something we’d have done in the 70s. I’ll always remember them taking over the South Bank and belting out the Pompey chimes.

Doesn't show much self awareness from Reading imo. Don't remember there being much/any sympathy for Portsmouth when they were in the shit.

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by WestYorksRoyal » 25 Oct 2023 18:23

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blythspartan There possibly could be more Pompey fans than Reading fans during the march on Saturday. I see we have invited them to join in our protest, but not something we’d have done in the 70s. I’ll always remember them taking over the South Bank and belting out the Pompey chimes.

Doesn't show much self awareness from Reading imo. Don't remember there being much/any sympathy for Portsmouth when they were in the shit.

Tbf, Pompey were and remain pretty detestable. Got some great memories from cheating unlike us. Relegated us against Fulham. Poached Tommy Smith with money they didn't have. I had zero sympathy.

I also wouldn't invite them on our march when the tables are turned.

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by Clyde1998 » 25 Oct 2023 18:25

Royal_jimmy On another topic, are any of you going to the march on Saturday? anyone know how many people might turn out? if we can get even 300-400 that'll be awesome

I'm not really sure what the purpose is of it as Dai is in the process of selling the club. I'd understand more if Dai wasn't trying to sell the club. It's a no from me at this stage.

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by WestYorksRoyal » 25 Oct 2023 18:31

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Royal_jimmy On another topic, are any of you going to the march on Saturday? anyone know how many people might turn out? if we can get even 300-400 that'll be awesome

I'm not really sure what the purpose is of it as Dai is in the process of selling the club. I'd understand more if Dai wasn't trying to sell the club. It's a no from me at this stage.

He's holding out for an unrealistic amount and wasting time with poundshop Gandalf. Keep turning the screw.

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