Homes of Reading FC - illustrated guide (part 5)

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Homes of Reading FC - illustrated guide (part 5)

by The Cube » 02 May 2012 20:04

Part 4 here: http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=113197

Reading's first game of the 1880/81 season should have been played at their normal home, Reading Cricket Ground. But as that was under water at the time, they instead found an alternative venue. Which was just as well, as it allowed Reading to beat Old Philberdians 2-1.

The place chosen was "Mr A C Bartholomew's meadow". Arthur Bartholomew was a Reading player of the time - like all the players he was an amateur, and his day job was that he had a school. This school was based at Park House, in Southcot Crescent. That's the road now known as Parkside Road - Park House was on the site now occupied by the Reading YMCA. The YMCA has been completely rebuilt in recent years, but the building they used before that was the same one used by the school in the 1880s, with bits added on.

The school also had a field, presumably used for healthy muscular activity rather than for grazing livestock, and this is where the game would have taken place. The field was on the other side of Parkside Road, extending as far as Tilehurst Road to the north, most of the way to Liebenrood Road to the west and roughly to Shirehead Close to the south. That means the bulk of it is now occupied by Wingrove Road. So maybe someone reading this lives on the site? And I bet others parked there before attending Elm Park, which really was only just around the corner (but obviously not in 1880).

Here are a couple of photos of the site today:






In Part 6 - another ground move, the one that Athletico Spizz Energi Oil has been waiting for.

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by Once were Biscuitmen » 03 May 2012 07:17

Fantastic series of threads!

Random question, did Reading FC have an original Latin motto? Sure I have seen it under an old crest...

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by Terminal Boardom » 03 May 2012 07:53

Once were Biscuitmen Fantastic series of threads!

Random question, did Reading FC have an original Latin motto? Sure I have seen it under an old crest...


That would have been the town's coat of arms. A Deo Et Regina roughly translates into "From God and The Queen"



The coat of arms was removed as the town could no longer find 5 virgins.

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by mr_number » 03 May 2012 08:36

Lovely stuff, again. Thanks

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by Stuka » 03 May 2012 12:42

Nice to see the town crest adopting the colours of the football club. :wink:


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by working class hero » 03 May 2012 15:06

Surely 'for god and the queen'?

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by Once were Biscuitmen » 03 May 2012 15:16

My half hearted google follow up suggests that they are actually not very manly Kings,,,,,

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by The Cube » 03 May 2012 16:30

working class hero Surely 'for god and the queen'?

Ablative case in Latin is normally translated as "by", "with" or "from". If they meant "for" they would have used the dative case. (Happy to be corrected by anyone who studied Latin more recently than me.)

Even if there had been no other reason, the club would have certainly stopped using the town coat of arms at some stage because it can't be copyrighted, thus opening up the replica shirt market to unscrupulous cockney traders like we've seen around town in recent weeks.

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by 1871 Royal » 03 May 2012 17:51

Terminal Boardom The coat of arms was removed as the town could no longer find 5 virgins.


HA!


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by Stuka » 04 May 2012 10:24

Did the founder, Mr. Sydenham's grave stone get repaired in the end?

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by mr_number » 04 May 2012 13:53

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working class hero Surely 'for god and the queen'?

Ablative case in Latin is normally translated as "by", "with" or "from". If they meant "for" they would have used the dative case. (Happy to be corrected by anyone who studied Latin more recently than me.)

Even if there had been no other reason, the club would have certainly stopped using the town coat of arms at some stage because it can't be copyrighted, thus opening up the replica shirt market to unscrupulous cockney traders like we've seen around town in recent weeks.


Lovely bit of work there. My vague memories of Latin would support you

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by royalZILLAAA » 04 May 2012 15:07

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working class hero Surely 'for god and the queen'?

Ablative case in Latin is normally translated as "by", "with" or "from". If they meant "for" they would have used the dative case. (Happy to be corrected by anyone who studied Latin more recently than me.)


Pretty sure you're right there. 'Deo' could be the Dative, but the dative of Regina is Reginae. Ergo, 'a' is 'a, ab' - 'from', not 'a, ad' - 'to'.
So, in summary... Pretty sure you're right there.

Source: half-assed approach to a Classics degree.

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by mr_number » 04 May 2012 15:15

Who says we're middle class fans now, eh?


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by royalZILLAAA » 04 May 2012 15:35

Indeed.

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by Cape Town Royal » 04 May 2012 16:24

Terminal Boardom
Once were Biscuitmen Fantastic series of threads!

Random question, did Reading FC have an original Latin motto? Sure I have seen it under an old crest...


That would have been the town's coat of arms. A Deo Et Regina roughly translates into "From God and The Queen"



The coat of arms was removed as the town could no longer find 5 virgins.



Looking at those 5, I can't believe they weren't virgins..!!

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Re: Homes of Reading FC - illustrated guide (part 5)

by CavershamRoyal » 04 May 2012 17:24

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working class hero Surely 'for god and the queen'?

Ablative case in Latin is normally translated as "by", "with" or "from". If they meant "for" they would have used the dative case. (Happy to be corrected by anyone who studied Latin more recently than me.)

Even if there had been no other reason, the club would have certainly stopped using the town coat of arms at some stage because it can't be copyrighted, thus opening up the replica shirt market to unscrupulous cockney traders like we've seen around town in recent weeks.


Correct, was doing Latin this morning... :x
It's a real PITA.

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Re: Homes of Reading FC - illustrated guide (part 5)

by Badger Finger » 04 May 2012 18:15

working class hero Surely 'for Brian and the queen'?


Blasphemy!

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Re: Homes of Reading FC - illustrated guide (part 5)

by The Cube » 06 May 2012 19:50

Stuka Did the founder, Mr. Sydenham's grave stone get repaired in the end?

Went over and had a look this afternoon. My best guess is that it is in progress. If not, then someone has pinched part of it. The base is still there, but the lower part of the cross previously attached to it has gone, as has the upper part of the cross that was previously lying behind it. Anyone know any more?

This is what it used to look like (photo taken in about 2007, I think):


More about the grave, plus directions here:
http://www.btinternet.com/~rfc1871/news/features/sydenham.htm
Didn't spot any deer today...

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Re: Homes of Reading FC - illustrated guide (part 5)

by blueroyals » 11 May 2012 19:55

Is that not his wife's grave or am I being stupid?

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Re: Homes of Reading FC - illustrated guide (part 5)

by The Cube » 12 May 2012 06:00

blueroyals Is that not his wife's grave or am I being stupid?

Double grave - the "Also of" bit is on the back.

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