Football for A Dummy

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Football for A Dummy

by Big Ern » 02 Oct 2013 03:12

Being a bit of a thicko that I is innit and not being able to attend matches due to where I live, I was wondering somthing.

It seems the general opinion on here is that Guthrie, our creative central midfielder, has been our standout player this year, however we are struggling to score from open play. Quite simply, how does that work?

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by leon » 02 Oct 2013 08:07

We don't pass the ball quickly enough. Guthrie sits deep and moves the ball around well but we are a too obvious. Our main threat is still from the wings.

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by maffff » 02 Oct 2013 08:38

If you ask nicely Brendan Rodgers might lend you his big book of tictacs

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Maguire » 02 Oct 2013 08:44

Wouldn't say Guthrie is a creative central midfielder to be honest. Does a good job of keeping the ball moving, getting it out wide, etc etc but he doesn't do what eg. Sigurdsson did.

I think delivery from wide has been a problem this season. I like McCleary but he needs to just concentrate on going at his man in the last third and putting a decent ball in the box. Same with Drenthe. Same with any wide player.

People used to take the piss out of Pardew because he'd say to Salako "right, your aim today is to provide 15 crosses" but he knew what he was talking about. Salako had excellent delivery and crosses get you goals.

It also doesn't help rotating your strikeforce all the time because there's very little interplay between them. Pog and ALF (for example) seem to just play their own games, doing what they do best as individuals, rather than actively look to work off each other.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Agent Balti » 02 Oct 2013 08:59

Guthrie doesn't play high enough up the pitch to provide that threat in the final third. He's entrenched in the second third instead, being the 'Quarterback' (as much as I hate that phrase.) The idea being that he releases the wider players to do their 'magic'.

He is, and has been, our best player, easily. He's just not an assist machine, like an Ozil, he's more of a Carrick-type.


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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Handsome Man » 02 Oct 2013 09:20

We are not the finished article yet, but what Guthrioe has done this season has been significant. He has encouraged much better passing by the defenders by simply making himself available so often. This will start bearing fruit eventually and must begin to start creating chances soon.

As for the dearth of goals, you have got to look elsewhere: losing MacAnuff and Kebe; LeFondre's unusual goals:influence ratio; Drenthe's weight/fitness/pace problem. There are lots of small things that will probably cure themself over a full season.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Vision » 02 Oct 2013 09:22

He's basically James Harper without the pointing and the gimp shinpads.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Maguire » 02 Oct 2013 09:27

Vision He's basically James Harper without the pointing and the gimp shinpads.


Yep basically a more intelligent version of James Harper.

Hang on, that's not right.

He's basically James Harper.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Hoop Blah » 02 Oct 2013 09:51

Vision He's basically James Harper without the pointing and the gimp shinpads.


I was about to say much the same.

Guthrie has been good this season but, like Harper, he'll create the opportunities to create for other players. The problem is those other players haven't shown enough quality to make the final balls count.


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Re: Football for A Dummy

by One8Seven1 » 02 Oct 2013 11:24

Big Ern Being a bit of a thicko that I is innit and not being able to attend matches due to where I live, I was wondering somthing.

It seems the general opinion on here is that Guthrie, our creative central midfielder, has been our standout player this year, however we are struggling to score from open play. Quite simply, how does that work?


He pulls the strings from a deep midfield position, not an advanced position. Look to the likes of HRK and McAnuff who's distribution is diabolical for why there's a lack of quality going into the box.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Hoop Blah » 02 Oct 2013 11:49

One8Seven1
Big Ern Being a bit of a thicko that I is innit and not being able to attend matches due to where I live, I was wondering somthing.

It seems the general opinion on here is that Guthrie, our creative central midfielder, has been our standout player this year, however we are struggling to score from open play. Quite simply, how does that work?


He pulls the strings from a deep midfield position, not an advanced position. Look to the likes of HRK and McAnuff who's distribution is diabolical for why there's a lack of quality going into the box.


You were doing ok until the nonesense about McAnuff!

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by NewCorkSeth » 02 Oct 2013 14:00

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Big Ern » 02 Oct 2013 14:48

Ok so it is not Guthrie's fault, could someone please provide me with a scapegoat so I can vent my anger with a thunderous fury on the internet.

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by Royalwaster » 02 Oct 2013 16:06

Maguire Wouldn't say Guthrie is a creative central midfielder to be honest. Does a good job of keeping the ball moving, getting it out wide, etc etc but he doesn't do what eg. Sigurdsson did.

I think delivery from wide has been a problem this season. I like McCleary but he needs to just concentrate on going at his man in the last third and putting a decent ball in the box. Same with Drenthe. Same with any wide player.

People used to take the piss out of Pardew because he'd say to Salako "right, your aim today is to provide 15 crosses" but he knew what he was talking about. Salako had excellent delivery and crosses get you goals.

It also doesn't help rotating your strikeforce all the time because there's very little interplay between them. Pog and ALF (for example) seem to just play their own games, doing what they do best as individuals, rather than actively look to work off each other.


Problem with Pardew's tactic was that we had no-one in the team who could head the ball ... Cureton, Butler all sucked at heading the ball ... so he'd fizz in some great crosses but no-one would reach them. I remember finding it pretty frustrating to watch and wondering why he didn't cross them in along the floor instead.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by sandman » 02 Oct 2013 16:07

Big Ern Ok so it is not Guthrie's fault.


Ah yes... the HNA? motto.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by MeMeMe » 02 Oct 2013 17:12

Christ on a bike... dey get left undur bushis... dint yer muvver tell yer nuffin ?

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Royal91 » 02 Oct 2013 22:41

We never bought a CAM, I guess the closest thing was going to Drenthe but he's another winger.

I actually fancy Williams to play further forward and get beyond the strikers.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Handsome Man » 03 Oct 2013 08:30

Big Ern Ok so it is not Guthrie's fault, could someone please provide me with a scapegoat so I can vent my anger with a thunderous fury on the internet.


It was Robson-Kanu, but he scored at Barnsley, when there was was some highly amusing stuff on the match thread about LeFondre being ineffectual, so you could try him.

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Re: Football for A Dummy

by Royal Biscuitman » 03 Oct 2013 10:26

Maguire
Vision He's basically James Harper without the pointing and the gimp shinpads.


Yep basically a more intelligent version of James Harper.

Hang on, that's not right.

He's basically James Harper.

A better tackling version of James Harper who can run forwards and backwards, not just sideways. He still does the Harper/Leigerwood pirouette when receiving the ball though.

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