
It looks like our wage bill is about £1m larger than comparable clubs/attendences, and Oxford are cheating.
by PieEater » 05 Mar 2024 10:48
by From Despair To Where? » 05 Mar 2024 11:00
by PieEater » 05 Mar 2024 11:33
From Despair To Where? Not defending Oxford but as far I'm aware, they don't make either/or decisions regarding paying their staff and HMRC.
by Stranded » 05 Mar 2024 12:14
by From Despair To Where? » 05 Mar 2024 12:20
by PieEater » 05 Mar 2024 12:39
by From Despair To Where? » 05 Mar 2024 12:41
by Snowflake Royal » 05 Mar 2024 12:52
PieEater It seems to me that their sporting integrity is financial doping up to a limit.
They know paying more wages gets better results and they encourage owners to gamble for that. I'm not sure how else they can run it but the current system doesn't seem too fair to me if your owner doesn't bankroll your success. It looks like around a third of the division have owners that don't.
by PieEater » 05 Mar 2024 13:06
Snowflake RoyalPieEater It seems to me that their sporting integrity is financial doping up to a limit.
They know paying more wages gets better results and they encourage owners to gamble for that. I'm not sure how else they can run it but the current system doesn't seem too fair to me if your owner doesn't bankroll your success. It looks like around a third of the division have owners that don't.
They are the owners.
It really winds me up, people trying to spread blame onto the FL. There is one place for blame, and its on the people running the club. Dai Yongge, his staff, and the other directors. But mainly Dai Yongge.
Every chant of 'oxf*rd the EFL' and complaint against them, should be vitriol directed at Dai.
And certain posters always bitching about the EFL, not calling out PieEater here to be clear, should maybe take a look at their posting history and constant bitching about Madejski not spending enough and 'where's the money gone'. Because we're reaping what Dai Yongge sowed doing exactly what they wanted Madejski to do. Spend massively beyond our means and get us into devastating financial and sporting difficulties as a result.
Yes, I'm looking at you RB.
The rules and system is flawed. But the fix to that is the PL clubs and FL clubs choosing to collectively be responsible when not doing so is the route to succesz. Or Gov legislating.
by Snowflake Royal » 05 Mar 2024 13:28
PieEaterSnowflake RoyalPieEater It seems to me that their sporting integrity is financial doping up to a limit.
They know paying more wages gets better results and they encourage owners to gamble for that. I'm not sure how else they can run it but the current system doesn't seem too fair to me if your owner doesn't bankroll your success. It looks like around a third of the division have owners that don't.
They are the owners.
It really winds me up, people trying to spread blame onto the FL. There is one place for blame, and its on the people running the club. Dai Yongge, his staff, and the other directors. But mainly Dai Yongge.
Every chant of 'oxf*rd the EFL' and complaint against them, should be vitriol directed at Dai.
And certain posters always bitching about the EFL, not calling out PieEater here to be clear, should maybe take a look at their posting history and constant bitching about Madejski not spending enough and 'where's the money gone'. Because we're reaping what Dai Yongge sowed doing exactly what they wanted Madejski to do. Spend massively beyond our means and get us into devastating financial and sporting difficulties as a result.
Yes, I'm looking at you RB.
The rules and system is flawed. But the fix to that is the PL clubs and FL clubs choosing to collectively be responsible when not doing so is the route to succesz. Or Gov legislating.
Not surprisingly you've completely missed the point I raised and gone off on another rant.
by Clyde1998 » 05 Mar 2024 13:43
PieEater After the comments from the EFL I started wondering what they really mean by Sporting Integrity. The league has clubs with a wide range of salaries and attendences and roughly the league position reflects that .
It looks like our wage bill is about £1m larger than comparable clubs/attendences, and Oxford are cheating.
by Hound » 05 Mar 2024 13:50
by PieEater » 05 Mar 2024 15:40
Clyde1998 What's the source of the wage bill? Different estimates from different sources will show different results..
by From Despair To Where? » 05 Mar 2024 17:22
by Clyde1998 » 05 Mar 2024 19:54
From Despair To Where? Salary Sport is the other one and it gives Individual breakdowns
https://salarysport.com/football/league-one/reading/
I wouldn't claim either is accurate but it's a decent ballpark to start a discussion
There's a difference of about £1m between their overall figures and they both list loanees' full salaries, so I assume you can knock off about £750,000 a year given that they list Ejaria, Ballard and Mukariu at about £17,500 a week combined. There's also Holmes, McIntyre, Abbey and Vickers listed which is about another £400,000 annually.
It does put Smith, Knibbs and Wing at about £750,000 a year so, if that's even 90% accurate, for other clubs to suggest we couldn't really afford them does have some foundation.
The eye opener is Dean. I do hope there's a misplaced decimal point there.
I think £3.5m-4.5m total is a realistic figure for right now. We are struggling to service that commitment which again suggests, for whatever reason, we are still spending more than Dai is prepared to cover, even if it is within the budget set by the EFL.
by Lower West » 06 Mar 2024 00:50
by From Despair To Where? » 06 Mar 2024 07:00
by tmesis » 06 Mar 2024 23:08
From Despair To Where? So basically, and, I'm just using very rough calculations to look at a ball park figure, our tax liability on a monthly wage bill of £450,000 (including all staff), is maybe in the region of £150k-£200k? I appreciate the bulk of that is part of the £450,000.
That's 10,000 paying customers a month on top of season tickets for the next 2 months to pay the tax bill. 4,000 a game?
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