Percentage of Transfer Market

[Sydneyroyal]

Like most pundits I read on this sight, I am frustrated at the slow / lack of movement by Reading in the transfer market.
I was reading BBC' web sight today - QPR hoping for three in new signings, then I looked down other team's pages. Almost all clubs had something about "targeting", "capturing" "wanting" - Reading had something about an old bloke penning a new contract.

All things being equal, we should have just under 5% of the market for any given division we are in. Being a bigger club in the Championship , we should have slightly more. Although I haven't had my nose in the papers - I am sure that our percentage at this point for incoming transfers is 0!

Does anyone have the figures for how we rated against the bigger clubs in the prem but more interestingly:
do clubs getting promoted from the Championship often buy their promotion or use a settled team?

[londinium]

Like most pundits I read on this sight, I am frustrated at the slow / lack of movement by Reading in the transfer market.
I was reading BBC' web sight today - QPR hoping for three in new signings, then I looked down other team's pages. Almost all clubs had something about "targeting", "capturing" "wanting" - Reading had something about an old bloke penning a new contract.

All things being equal, we should have just under 5% of the market for any given division we are in. Being a bigger club in the Championship , we should have slightly more. Although I haven't had my nose in the papers - I am sure that our percentage at this point for incoming transfers is 0!

Does anyone have the figures for how we rated against the bigger clubs in the prem but more interestingly:
do clubs getting promoted from the Championship often buy their promotion or use a settled team?

We need a lesser percentage of the market than average as on paper and (statistically too, I guess) we are the best team in the Championship and therefore need to buy the least amount of players.

It is all about quality and not quantity anyhow... depending on who leaves we probably need 2 players whereas other teams may well need 7 or 8 to even match our squad.

And it is 'site' not 'sight'...you see.

[Dirk Gently]

You're missing an essential difference between us and other clubs.

We do transfer dealings in private, rather than via the media. The club absolutely hates it if word of what we are doing or trying to do gets out, so they do try really hard to keep all potential dealings secret.

Which is why you see a lot fewer rumours about what we are looking to do than you do with many other clubs, who either leak like a sieve or use the media to try and lure people away.

[Hoop Blah]

We need a lesser percentage of the market than average as on paper and (statistically too, I guess) we are the best team in the Championship and therefore need to buy the least amount of players.

It is all about quality and not quantity anyhow... depending on who leaves we probably need 2 players whereas other teams may well need 7 or 8 to even match our squad.

And it is 'site' not 'sight'...you see.

What you seem to be forgetting is that we'll lose the better half of our team as those that showed up well during our two year stint in the Prem are cherry picked by the lesser lights of the division we couldn't be bothered to fight to stay in.

Our team is also now on the decline, whereas a lot of the Championship clubs are already part way through building theirs like we were 4 or 5 years ago.

To answer the original point, there are two reasons why you don't see any speculation. Firstly is as Dirk says, we try not to conduct our business in the media, and secondly, Coppell doesn't think anything happens in the transfer market for a couple of weeks yet.

[SpaceCruiser]

many other clubs, who ... use the media to try and lure people away.

Like Wet Sham.

[brendywendy]

We need a lesser percentage of the market than average as on paper and (statistically too, I guess) we are the best team in the Championship and therefore need to buy the least amount of players.

It is all about quality and not quantity anyhow... depending on who leaves we probably need 2 players whereas other teams may well need 7 or 8 to even match our squad.

And it is 'site' not 'sight'...you see.

What you seem to be forgetting is that we'll lose the better half of our team as those that showed up well during our two year stint in the Prem are cherry picked by the lesser lights of the division we couldn't be bothered to fight to stay in.

Our team is also now on the decline, whereas a lot of the Championship clubs are already part way through building theirs like we were 4 or 5 years ago.

To answer the original point, there are two reasons why you don't see any speculation. Firstly is as Dirk says, we try not to conduct our business in the media, and secondly, Coppell doesn't think anything happens in the transfer market for a couple of weeks yet.

not being funny

but coppell is right

how many signings you seen so far, for anyone?
i dunno , im just guessing, but its about a handfull, if that

[Gordons Cumming]

July and August has always been the time for transfer activity.

So tomorrow is the start......................

[Hoop Blah]

We need a lesser percentage of the market than average as on paper and (statistically too, I guess) we are the best team in the Championship and therefore need to buy the least amount of players.

It is all about quality and not quantity anyhow... depending on who leaves we probably need 2 players whereas other teams may well need 7 or 8 to even match our squad.

And it is 'site' not 'sight'...you see.

What you seem to be forgetting is that we'll lose the better half of our team as those that showed up well during our two year stint in the Prem are cherry picked by the lesser lights of the division we couldn't be bothered to fight to stay in.

Our team is also now on the decline, whereas a lot of the Championship clubs are already part way through building theirs like we were 4 or 5 years ago.

To answer the original point, there are two reasons why you don't see any speculation. Firstly is as Dirk says, we try not to conduct our business in the media, and secondly, Coppell doesn't think anything happens in the transfer market for a couple of weeks yet.

not being funny

but coppell is right

how many signings you seen so far, for anyone?
i dunno , im just guessing, but its about a handfull, if that

I know he's pretty much right, and that most transfers are finalised a bit later in the summer but I just get the feeling, and it's only a feeling bought on by what the powers that be say and the number of deals we pull off, but we don't seem to be quite so pro-active in the transfer market as other teams.

According to soccerbase though, there have been 146 transfers in June alone. I appreciate most of those are freebies and lower league moves and transfers agreed a while back, but at the same time 43 of those 146 transfers are to clubs who are in our league or above.

Although we might not want those players, it does show that some movement goes on if the clubs want to get ahead of the market.

[Fezza]

We need a lesser percentage of the market than average as on paper and (statistically too, I guess) we are the best team in the Championship and therefore need to buy the least amount of players.

It is all about quality and not quantity anyhow... depending on who leaves we probably need 2 players whereas other teams may well need 7 or 8 to even match our squad.

And it is 'site' not 'sight'...you see.

What you seem to be forgetting is that we'll lose the better half of our team as those that showed up well during our two year stint in the Prem are cherry picked by the lesser lights of the division we couldn't be bothered to fight to stay in.

Our team is also now on the decline, whereas a lot of the Championship clubs are already part way through building theirs like we were 4 or 5 years ago.

To answer the original point, there are two reasons why you don't see any speculation. Firstly is as Dirk says, we try not to conduct our business in the media, and secondly, Coppell doesn't think anything happens in the transfer market for a couple of weeks yet.

not being funny

but coppell is right

how many signings you seen so far, for anyone?
i dunno , im just guessing, but its about a handfull, if that

Just those in and around us this month... (ins and outs, have included those Prem teams that we were competing with and are now feeding off us)...

Beeb Said:

28 June 2008
Federico Bessone [Espanyol - Swansea] Free *Darren Dennehy [Everton - Cardiff]
*Ross McCormack [Motherwell - Cardiff] Free
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27 June 2008
Roberto Colace [Newell's Old Boys - Barnsley] Undisclosed
Mounir El Haimour [NE Xamar - Barnsley] Undisclosed
Johan Elmander [Toulouse - Bolton] Undisclosed
Mark Gower [Southend - Swansea] Free
David Jones [Derby - Wolves] Undisclosed
Emmanuel Jorge Ledesema [Genoa - QPR] Loan
James O'Connor [Burnley - Sheffield Wednesday] Free
Diego Penny [Coronel Bolognesi - Burnley] Undisclosed
Gavin Williams [Ipswich - Bristol City] Undisclosed
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26 June 2008

Wes Hoolahan [Blackpool - Norwich] Undisclosed
Christian Kalvenes [Dundee United - Burnley] Free
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25 June 2008
Iain Hume [Leicester - Barnsley] £1.2m
Richard Stearman [Leicester - Wolves] Undisclosed
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24 June 2008

Karl Duguid [Colchester - Plymouth] Undisclosed
Kevin McDonald [Dundee - Burnley] £500,000
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23 June 2008

Martin Paterson [Scunthorpe - Burnley] £1m
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20 June 2008
Danny Whitaker [Port Vale - Oldham] Free
Glenn Little [Reading - Portsmouth] Undisclosed
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19 June 2008
Stefan Bailey [QPR - Grays] Free
Kyle Lafferty [Burnley - Rangers] £3m
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18 June 2008
Gareth McAuley [Leicester - Ipswich] Undisclosed
*Jason Puncheon [Barnet - Plymouth] £250,000
Keiren Westwood [Carlisle - Coventry] £500,000
Paul Wotton [Plymouth - Southampton] Free
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17 June 2008
*Sammy Clingan [Nottingham Forest - Norwich] Free
Ben Hamer [Reading - Brentford] Loan
Alex Russell [Bristol City - Cheltenham] Free
John Spicer [Burnley - Doncaster] Free
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16 June 2008
Pim Balkestein [Heerenveen - Ipswich] Undisclosed
Stuart Fleetwood [Forest Green - Charlton] Tribunal
Patrice Muamba [Birmingham - Bolton] £5m
Lewwis Spence [Crystal Palace - Wycombe] Free
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13 June 2008
Kenny Miller [Derby - Rangers] £2m
Aaron Ramsey [Cardiff - Arsenal] Undisclosed
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12 June 2008
Steve Davies [Tranmere - Derby] Tribunal
Patrick McCarthy [Charlton - Crystal Palace] Undisclosed
Andranik Teymourian [Bolton - Fulham] Free
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11 June 2008
Zoltan Gera [West Brom - Fulham] Free
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9 June 2008
Kevin Amankwaah [Swansea - Swindon] Free
Adam Legzdins [Birmingham - Crewe] Free
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6 June 2008
Lee Holmes [Derby - Southampton] Free
Jeff Hughes [Crystal Palace - Bristol Rovers] Undisclosed
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5 June 2008
Kevin Austin [Swansea - Chesterfield] Free
Marlon Broomes [Stoke - Blackpool] Free
David Forde [Cardiff - Millwall] Free
Alan Power [Nottingham Forest - Hartlepool] Free
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4 June 2008
David Stockdale [Darlington - Fulham] Undisclosed
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3 June 2008
Matt Lockwood [Nottingham Forest - Colchester] Undisclosed
Kevin McLeod [Colchester United - Brighton] Free
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2 June 2008
Guillaume Beuzelin [Hibernian - Coventry] Free
Kris Commons [Nottingham Forest - Derby] Free

Nothing doing then!!!!

[Sarah Star]

The vast majority were free though.

[Hoop Blah]

The vast majority were free though.

Don't we want to sign free-transfers then?

Considering our supposed 'cutting of cloth' etc, I'd have thought saving a bit on transfer fee's would've been ideal. The free transfers are often the ones that do happen earlier in the season as the players involved, and their agents, are looking to secure their future as early as possible.

To be fair to RFC, a lot of these may well have been tied up before we knew our fate at the end of May, and so we wouldn't have been interested in most of them at all.

[brendywendy]

LOL at the list of free transfers and undisclosed-alot of whom are being off loaded from relegated teams etc

im more than sure that coppell will be well on his way in trying to get players in, and as soon as the money is freed up as our premiere league mercenaries jump ship we ill get right on with the jiob of replacing them.

your fear seems to stem from the fact that it isnt plastered all over the papers which hasnt been our way under coppell
it aint panic time yet

[The 17 Bus]

July and August has always been the time for transfer activity.

So tomorrow is the start......................

And by Wednesday it will be all over, Coppell saying how good we are, targets are too dear, players wont come to us, oops, I am meant to be positeve around here, Coppell out, I blame them fans that stood in his parking space, what a silly idea

[Hoop Blah]

LOL at the list of free transfers and undisclosed-alot of whom are being off loaded from relegated teams etc

im more than sure that coppell will be well on his way in trying to get players in, and as soon as the money is freed up as our premiere league mercenaries jump ship we ill get right on with the jiob of replacing them.

your fear seems to stem from the fact that it isnt plastered all over the papers which hasnt been our way under coppell
it aint panic time yet

No fear as such, just showing you exactly what you asked for, the amount of business that does actually go through in June despite what Coppell says.

How many deals did you think were going through? I'm guessing you thought it was a hell of a lot less....I know I did!

A lot of those might be freebies, and from relegated clubs etc, but they're players that other teams in our division are keen to get hold of. Wolves for example have signed two good Championship players in Stearman and Jones.

[Fezza]

LOL at the list of free transfers and undisclosed-alot of whom are being off loaded from relegated teams etc

im more than sure that coppell will be well on his way in trying to get players in, and as soon as the money is freed up as our premiere league mercenaries jump ship we ill get right on with the jiob of replacing them.

your fear seems to stem from the fact that it isnt plastered all over the papers which hasnt been our way under coppell
it aint panic time yet

I believe you said this in March as well!

[FiNeRaIn]

Nice to see the excuses have begun already.

A few weeks will go by and still nothing, coppell will play it calm, the RTG's will back him and ridicule the realists, it will die down for a bit.
A month will go by and still nothing, coppell will say " we have a few targets", the RTG's will back him and ridicule the realisits, the realists will say " well fvking sign them then, we don't want " target's", we want signings". It will all die down for a bit.

The start of the season will begin, coppell will say " player's weren't available at the right price, money was available though", realists will be angry, RTG's will back coppell and laugh at the realists.

We get off to a crap start, lose at forest, get 3 points from our first 6 games and the team looks poor.
Coppell will say " we are happy with what we have got", the RTG's will agree, the realists will hit their head on the desks and say " here we go again".

Prediction in a nutshell.

[SpaceCruiser]

LOL, "realists". The reality is that the club doesn't tell us what is happening behind the scenes, so you can't really slag them off for doing nothing when you don't know what is happening. That's reality for you.

I seem to remember a certain summer when nothing much happened and we were clearing out the deadwood. Then we signed a couple of unknown Irish players. Then in the last two weeks before the start of the season we brought in a few. And then you know what happened with that season. I seem to remember that on here lots of people were moaning about the transfer policy and that we seemed to be doing nothing.

[Roger the Rabbit]

How realistic is it to claim that nothing will happen in the transfer market when the reality is we've signed players in every transfer window in the last few years, and in several successive windows we broke our record signing. Agreed that in January we failed to beat our record but we did manage to sign a player who has just played in the European Championships !

As for 'excuses' - I'm not sure why any 'excuses' are needed simply becasue a few terminal pessimists think we should have signed a dozen players by now and we haven't. You are creating your own unrealistic expectation and then blamiing others when it's not met. I'm gutted that Madonna hasn't been in touch now she's split up with Guy Ritchie and I blame FineRain for it....

[Hoop Blah]

For the record, I'm not saying we should've signed players by now.

All I'm disputing is the notion that nothing happens in June.

I also feel that we're not the most pro-active in the transfer market, and we suffer for it, but I'm well aware that we don't hear of most things the club are doing behind the scenes to actually bring players in. I'm purely judging it on what the powers that be are saying and our previous history of attracting players of a sufficient quality to continuiously improve our side.

[Roger the Rabbit]

For the record, I'm not saying we should've signed players by now.

All I'm disputing is the notion that nothing happens in June.

I also feel that we're not the most pro-active in the transfer market, and we suffer for it, but I'm well aware that we don't hear of most things the club are doing behind the scenes to actually bring players in. I'm purely judging it on what the powers that be are saying and our previous history of attracting players of a sufficient quality to continuiously improve our side.

Nicky Hammond was saying not long after the end of the season that they were actively pursuing targets, but deals worth doing don;t tend to happen over night - hence the fact that despite endelss speculation about Shorey, Harper, Doyle, Kitson, Lita, Hunt, Sonko they are all still on our books ! Bodde is still a Swansea player weeks after Derby started their media campaign to get him....