TSI - The Promises, Policies & Progress Thread

[winchester_royal]

:| our facilities are hardly thread bare. And even if they were, what significant sum of cash have we spent on them?

Will take your point re: their stadium generates more revenue, but it's not that huge a difference - 6,000 extra seats @ £30 = £180,000. So a nominal impact on the overall figures - Their revenue for the 6 month period was £32m.

Training ground is just a bunch of portacabins stuck in the middle of a field that we don't even own, and the academy didn't achieve the crucial Cat 1 status. Significant money will need spending on both of those, and even if that money hasn't been spent yet, planning is underway therefore extra revenue from this season needs to be set aside to fund the inevitable investment.

£180,000 x 19 = £3.5m so still a fairly significant amount, but my point was more that they have no need to expand their stadium in the future while we probably do if we want to grow as a Premier League club eventually. Therefore all their extra income can go on players and salaries, while we have to take a slightly more long term view.

We can all argue until we're blue in the face about whether this attitude is the right one, but personally I think we'll be seeing the benefits of such long-termism in 10 years time. Of course..that doesn't make days like yesterday any easier to take.

[paddy20]

To stay in the premiership you have to be better than 3 other teams. We haven't been better than any other teams this season. To stay in the premiership you have to replace championship quality players with premiership ones. This costs money - usually about £25m or a bit more. You need a modicum of sense to know these facts. Its quite easy really as about 20,000 Reading fans know these facts already. Mr Madjeski knew these facts but chose not to act on them in 2007 because he doesn't like players very much and he is -well- a bit careful with his money. At Reading we know these facts but we also quite like our players because they did something they should not have been able to do - win the championship. Some say this was a miracle and some believed it. It was decided therefore that we had someone high up on our side and another miracle was available for us.Lo and behold we kept all our players and just signed a few cheapies in case anyone got suspicious. Because we still have faith that miracle is about to happen and we will win all our remaining games and this was just a way of testing our faith. Or, we've messed up big time again!!!!!!!
paddy20
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Location: Wokingham

[Seal]

:| our facilities are hardly thread bare. And even if they were, what significant sum of cash have we spent on them?

Will take your point re: their stadium generates more revenue, but it's not that huge a difference - 6,000 extra seats @ £30 = £180,000. So a nominal impact on the overall figures - Their revenue for the 6 month period was £32m.

Training ground is just a bunch of portacabins stuck in the middle of a field that we don't even own, and the academy didn't achieve the crucial Cat 1 status. Significant money will need spending on both of those, and even if that money hasn't been spent yet, planning is underway therefore extra revenue from this season needs to be set aside to fund the inevitable investment.

£180,000 x 19 = £3.5m so still a fairly significant amount, but my point was more that they have no need to expand their stadium in the future while we probably do if we want to grow as a Premier League club eventually. Therefore all their extra income can go on players and salaries, while we have to take a slightly more long term view.

We can all argue until we're blue in the face about whether this attitude is the right one, but personally I think we'll be seeing the benefits of such long-termism in 10 years time. Of course..that doesn't make days like yesterday any easier to take.

Agree with all your points re: investment in facilities, but the problem is we won't have the guaranteed revenue to do anything significant if we're not in the Prem.

The stadium is a classic example of that: you think we're really going to expand it if we in the championship? If the expansion was approved and ready to go do you think they'd sign the cheque this morning, with relegation likely?

You talk about long term planning but all is see is an incredibly short term strategy re: player recruitment: essentially see if we can hang on for a season with pretty much what we've got and take it from there.

[winchester_royal]

:| our facilities are hardly thread bare. And even if they were, what significant sum of cash have we spent on them?

Will take your point re: their stadium generates more revenue, but it's not that huge a difference - 6,000 extra seats @ £30 = £180,000. So a nominal impact on the overall figures - Their revenue for the 6 month period was £32m.

Training ground is just a bunch of portacabins stuck in the middle of a field that we don't even own, and the academy didn't achieve the crucial Cat 1 status. Significant money will need spending on both of those, and even if that money hasn't been spent yet, planning is underway therefore extra revenue from this season needs to be set aside to fund the inevitable investment.

£180,000 x 19 = £3.5m so still a fairly significant amount, but my point was more that they have no need to expand their stadium in the future while we probably do if we want to grow as a Premier League club eventually. Therefore all their extra income can go on players and salaries, while we have to take a slightly more long term view.

We can all argue until we're blue in the face about whether this attitude is the right one, but personally I think we'll be seeing the benefits of such long-termism in 10 years time. Of course..that doesn't make days like yesterday any easier to take.

Agree with all your points re: investment in facilities, but the problem is we won't have the guaranteed revenue to do anything significant if we're not in the Prem.

The stadium is a classic example of that: you think we're really going to expand it if we in the championship? If the expansion was approved and ready to go do you think they'd sign the cheque this morning, with relegation likely?

You talk about long term planning but all is see is an incredibly short term strategy re: player recruitment: essentially see if we can hang on for a season with pretty much what we've got and take it from there.

I agree, a balance needs to be struck and we've failed in that respect this season. I'm sure if you talked to any of the management/board in private they'd admit as much.

[Divvy]

The stadium is a classic example of that: you think we're really going to expand it if we in the championship? If the expansion was approved and ready to go do you think they'd sign the cheque this morning, with relegation likely?

Agreed, but Brighton are on their second expansion and they don't sell out every week, but they know when Premiership football comes, they'll sell out every week just as we do here. (and yes I appreciate they're a bigger club with a larger fanbase)

Sunderland also over did it with the SoL when they built it with 40k in the second tier. Their fans laughed, thought the owner was bonkers, then they filled it, went up, expanded and certainly for the big games, they fill it and average around 41k otherwise. The point is those clubs chose to have their ground ready for the step up, rather than wait to get their and then do it, so although we feel it's unlikely here, Anton may surprise us.. It depends how fast he wants to develop his product/brand.

[RoyalBlue]

To stay in the premiership you have to be better than 3 other teams. We haven't been better than any other teams this season. To stay in the premiership you have to replace championship quality players with premiership ones. This costs money - usually about £25m or a bit more. You need a modicum of sense to know these facts. Its quite easy really as about 20,000 Reading fans know these facts already. Mr Madjeski knew these facts but chose not to act on them in 2007 because he doesn't like players very much and he is -well- a bit careful with his money. At Reading we know these facts but we also quite like our players because they did something they should not have been able to do - win the championship. Some say this was a miracle and some believed it. It was decided therefore that we had someone high up on our side and another miracle was available for us.Lo and behold we kept all our players and just signed a few cheapies in case anyone got suspicious. Because we still have faith that miracle is about to happen and we will win all our remaining games and this was just a way of testing our faith. Or, we've messed up big time again!!!!!!!
paddy20
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Posts: 45
Joined: 18 Apr 2007 16:50
Location: Wokingham

Pretty much sums it up.

[Divvy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21750068

[Cureton's Volley]

Anton can do one.

At least Reading FC have always had class and dignity.

Now we are just another bunch of mercenaries.

Not only that, but 500 posts on BBC make us the laughing stock of the month (around about the same month since BM won MOTM)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21748762

[Man Friday]

Absolutely spot on.

[floyd__streete]

Promises - McDermott will be the manager into 2013/14.
Policies - replace the manager with 9 games left allowing a predecessor no opportunity to strengthen the squad.
Progress - absolutely none whatsoever.

[Man Friday]

Promises - McDermott will be the manager into 2013/14.
Policies - replace the manager with 9 games left allowing a predecessor no opportunity to strengthen the squad.
Progress - absolutely none whatsoever.

er, "successor"...?

[floyd__streete]

Promises - McDermott will be the manager into 2013/14.
Policies - replace the manager with 9 games left allowing a predecessor no opportunity to strengthen the squad.
Progress - absolutely none whatsoever.

er, "successor"...?

Successor, yes

[bracksroyal10]

No denying that had AZ given BM £10-15 million as first rumoured to spend at the start of the season, I really do not think we would find ourselves in this position.

Its a shame really injuries to the middle of our midfield never helped and neither did BMD's issues with Guthrie but I think we needed one more midfielder for the middle of a park maybe a number 10 the one we tried desperately to bring in late on in January.

[Friday's Legacy]

Good article by Nabil Hassan - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21754910

[Hoop Blah]

Good article by Nabil Hassan - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21754910

On Monday, he made his first major call as owner of the Berkshire outfit by sacking Brian McDermott. It is a decision that could cost the club he owns £60m. Still envious?

I kind of lost faith in the article after reading this passage. Cost us our Premier League status and £60m? There's almost no chance we were staying up in the position we were having just thrown away the two games most likely to give us the impetus to beat the drop.

The rest of the article was a load of words saying very little.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Sacking Brian didn't cost us the Premier League.

It was failing to invest in the summer and then retardedly going UMMMMMPTTT UUUMMMPPT with tongue pressed into bottom lip instead of learning from that f/ck up and making amends in the January window.

[Seal]

Interesting stats from Reading's 2011/12 Championship season:-

4th highest wage bill (£27m)
2nd in highest wages to turnover (135%)

Also we did only make a very small loss (under £3m)

[melonhead]

No denying that had AZ given BM £10-15 million as first rumoured to spend at the start of the season, I really do not think we would find ourselves in this position.
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thats what we did pay out wasnt it? if you include big signing on fees for 2 out of contract players

[melonhead]

nope. we spent 5 million in fees, and we do know something about the extra signing on fees/wages paid for guthrie and pog.

[Once were Biscuitmen]

We don't know what the 'unspent', hypothetical transfer budget may have been in the Summer. There is no evidence at all to suggest that Brian had Southampton money but just declined to spend it.

I think it's reasonable to conclude that the drawn out approval process for AZ's take over probably hindered planning but we will never know for sure.