Safe-Standing petition

[tmesis]

cant see any safety concerns at all if the standing is as in germany.

all of the dinosaurs saying i was at hillsborough, we cant go back to those days etc on the radio, dont do it are arguing against something else entirely.

IMHO Hillsborough was more about so called safety fences and lack of control over admittance and poor policing. Without the safety fences there we'd probably be talking about Hillsborough as that time time fans over spilled onto the pitch causing a game to be postponed.

...and calling for more fences.


I still think the single daftest thing about the whole "football only" standing ban is the implication that 96 lives could have been saved at Hillsborough if only the players had picked up the ball and started throwing it sideways.

[Ian Royal]

One of my college lecturers was at Hillsborough and blames the policing and crowd control and backs the return of standing so.

Kes won't like this.

[SPARTA]

Reading FC stadium manager backs calls for safe standing

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... ks-6729992

Ray Booth says the ‘archaic laws’ which stop football fans being given the choice to stand at grounds need to be changed

Ray Booth , the Royals’ stadium manager, has thrown his support behind the safe-standing campaign.

Booth says the ‘archaic laws’ which stop football fans being given the choice to stand at grounds need to be changed.

He is very much behind the idea of installing safe standing areas at Madejski Stadium, although he admits that dream is still a long way off.

“We had the trial set up here at the stadium and we examined it, stood in it and we think it’s great,” he said.

“The system they are proposing, the rail system, it’s clear to everyone is safe. You can’t have people cascading forward.

“We’re in favour of the Football League lobbying to get a change in the law because without the law being changed, there’s nothing we can do.”

The Football League has got the backing of the majority of its 72 teams, including Reading, to push for a change in Government legislation.

All-seater stadiums have been compulsory in the Premier League and the Championship since the start of the 1994-95 season, at the recommendation of the Taylor Report following the Hillsborough disaster, which claimed the lives of 96 Liverpool fans.

Booth is hoping that law is changed, but has warned that, even if it is, there are plenty of other obstacles that need to be addressed before standing is introduced at Madejski Stadium.

“You have to look at the feasibility of how to get it into the ground,” he said.

“You have to consider the sight lines of the area. Also to put it in, you would have to displace people who are already there and have season tickets.

“The next question is the increase in capacity because you get double the amount of people per square metre.

“If you increase capacity you have to increase the number of turnstiles, increase the fire exit capacity, increase toilets, the concourses.

“All these things would have to be in a feasibility study. Then you have to find the money to actually do it.”

Booth added: “In principal we favour it because we feel everybody should have a choice.

“That would avoid the conflict we have all the time of trying to get people to sit down.

“This proposal is safe. I’m convinced of that. It’s just design issues that need to be taken into consideration.

“Our ambition is to expand the stadium to 40,000, which we’ve got planning permission for.

“That’s the time to do it.”

Oh well...

[Royal Biscuitman]

“We had the trial set up here at the stadium and we examined it, stood in it and we think it’s great,” he said.

Anyone on here involved in that?

“Our ambition is to expand the stadium to 40,000, which we’ve got planning permission for.

Expand the capacity on the cheap by getting people to stand?

[SPARTA]

“We had the trial set up here at the stadium and we examined it, stood in it and we think it’s great,” he said.

Anyone on here involved in that?

Jon Keen - @urzz1871

“Our ambition is to expand the stadium to 40,000, which we’ve got planning permission for.

Expand the capacity on the cheap by getting people to stand?

I'm sure it'll be a mix of the two. It will satisfy the demand for safe standing, and remember for every seat we have now we gain 80% in capacity with safe standing. It wouldn't be a big explansion in terms of tiers, roof coming off etc.

[North Somerset Royal]

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“Our ambition is to expand the stadium to 40,000, which we’ve got planning permission for.

“That’s the time to do it.”

But the stadium expansion was said to be dependent on us becoming established in the Prem who have already said they will not introduce ss.

[SPARTA]

The PL will give in eventually. Man Utd are also backing the majority of FL clubs that want safe standing introduced, and Aston Villa have offered to be the guinea pig and trial it at that level. It'll take time, but it will happen.

As for our comment about us waiting until we want to expand to 40k - I wouldn't buy into that too much. RFC will introduce SS if a) it gets approved and b) if the demand is there, and they are already backing it; and they have also said they document each email they receive backing SS, and encourage as many fans as possible to email in and add further support from the fans perspective.

Don't be a fan that sits and thinks others will say it for them. Drop the club an email to the customer services team and add your support.

[Silver Fox]

Are they going to count emails that are against?

[SPARTA]

Are they going to count emails that are against?

Yes.

[McClearyChops]

Was just wondering , does anyone know why Yevoil's terracing didn't get made into seats when they got promoted ?

[SPARTA]

Was just wondering , does anyone know why Yevoil's terracing didn't get made into seats when they got promoted ?

You get something like 3 years before you have to change to seating, or close the stand.

[McClearyChops]

Was just wondering , does anyone know why Yevoil's terracing didn't get made into seats when they got promoted ?

You get something like 3 years before you have to change to seating, or close the stand.

Ah fair enough Cheers ! They probably thought there was no point cause they are very likely to go straight back down

[Winchester Royal]

Was just wondering , does anyone know why Yevoil's terracing didn't get made into seats when they got promoted ?

You get something like 3 years before you have to change to seating, or close the stand.

Ah fair enough Cheers ! They probably thought there was no point cause they are very likely to go straight back down

Yeah, no point changing it until you actually have to.

[westendgirl]

“We had the trial set up here at the stadium and we examined it, stood in it and we think it’s great,” he said.

Anyone on here involved in that?

It was the Football Supporters Federation SS roadshow - so it was just a few rows of seats/rails set up in the car park not a full blown trial needing a crowd to get involved.

[Once were Biscuitmen]

The PL will give in eventually. Man Utd are also backing the majority of FL clubs that want safe standing introduced, and Aston Villa have offered to be the guinea pig and trial it at that level. It'll take time, but it will happen.

As for our comment about us waiting until we want to expand to 40k - I wouldn't buy into that too much. RFC will introduce SS if a) it gets approved and b) if the demand is there, and they are already backing it; and they have also said they document each email they receive backing SS, and encourage as many fans as possible to email in and add further support from the fans perspective.

Don't be a fan that sits and thinks others will say it for them. Drop the club an email to the customer services team and add your support.

The problem is not really going to be the Premier league.

The problem is why would MPs take the risk for a negligible upside and huge potential downside were a tragedy ever to occur again?

It's basic game theory, if it all works out I've increased my/my party's popularity with who? Relatively small groups of men in the 16-35 age group who regularly attend football matches.

If a tragedy occurs (however unlikely) whichever party introduced the revised legislation would be widely condemned and suffer electoral damage as a result.

So why would a politician risk it?

[urz13]

What if a tragedy occurs from persistent standing in seated areas, though?

[1871 not 1998]

What if a tragedy occurs from persistent standing in seated areas, though?

It'll be a steward if they continue being nazi bastards like they were today!

[Once were Biscuitmen]

What if a tragedy occurs from persistent standing in seated areas, though?

As a politician you would never be blamed for maintaining a status quo which has overwhelming cross party support.

I guarantee the first time any reform is tried one of the Liverpool MPs will stand up, talk about children being crushed to death at Hillsborough, and whatever private members bill attempts this first will be toast.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

What if a tragedy occurs from persistent standing in seated areas, though?

It'll be a steward if they continue being nazi bastards like they were today!

They are complying with stadium regulations, what is so hard to grasp?

[royalgrumpy]

By picking out two fans standing amongst a group of 40 in the front rows, and ignoring the several hundred stoop behind them?!