by From Despair To Where? » 29 Aug 2019 21:24
by The Enfield Royal71 » 29 Aug 2019 21:52
From Despair To Where? it wasn't meant s a dig at Forest Green Rovers, just an example of a small club with an ambitious owner but he would not be able to bankroll the club to the same extent in the Championship because of FFP. It would require a massive increase in revenue. In a 5000 seat stadium, gate receipts would yeald less than £3m a season, matchday revenue less than £2m, sponsorship and TV revenue maybe £1.5m.
A squad of 20 players on an average of £6,000p/w would swallow that up.
by The Enfield Royal71 » 29 Aug 2019 21:54
From Despair To Where?The Enfield Royal71Barney
No YOU won't, I walked into YOUR ground a few weeks ago. Had a look around before YOUR friendly with Bristol City. Very very tiny. No room for expansion.
Can't accomodate large away support. Very little 'water holes' nearby. All in all, limited revenue opportunities.
Small, neat, compact. But would be destroyed in the Championship.
I agree 100% with From Despair to Where.
Why the YOU?
What do you know about FGR? Because of a ground it will destroy us? The chairman is ballsy and rich and ambitious and will invest heavily and build a new ground.
But you need to increase the fanbase to justify building a 15,000 seat stadium otherwise it's a white elephant with significantly increased running costs. See Darlington as an example of how it can go dreadfully wrong.
And if you're in the Championship. he can't invest heavily without the increase in revenue because of FFP. That's the whole point. FFP does not apply to league 1 and League 2 so he can throw as much money as needed at the club but there's more accountability in the Championship.
Look at Burton as an example. Survival in the Championship in the short term is achievable, but establishing yourself needs big money, the sort of sums that FFP prevents you from spending. Even much bigger clubs like Rotherham with bigger support and bigger catchment areas in traditional footballing heartlands struggle to do it.
by The Enfield Royal71 » 29 Aug 2019 21:56
by Nameless » 29 Aug 2019 22:01
Hound Not heard a lot with REP, but the fact that the previous Thai owners own some of the surrounding land worries me more than the current owners owning the stadium tbh
Not that there is that much they can do with it I suppose
by Hound » 29 Aug 2019 22:08
by Elm Park Kid » 30 Aug 2019 01:21
by Nameless » 30 Aug 2019 07:30
Elm Park Kid The situation is like if you had your own plumbing company and (for some reason) decided to buy the van that the 'company' owns. Technically speaking, your company has exchanged an asset for cash and this impacts tax and whatever. But in the real-world, you still have the same van that you can use whenever you want.
If you sold the company (without the van) to someone else then it becomes their problem. But the fact that the van isn't part of the company isn't really the issue - rather, it would be selling to people that can't also afford the van as well.
by under the tin » 30 Aug 2019 07:52
by The Enfield Royal71 » 30 Aug 2019 08:32
by Dick Habbin's hairdo » 30 Aug 2019 09:40
by Stranded » 30 Aug 2019 09:43
The Enfield Royal71 Its why my beloved FGR will probably never get higher then L1 as DTW said. I doubt we will see any new teams up in the championship anytime soon.
by Whore Jackie » 30 Aug 2019 12:48
NamelessHound Not heard a lot with REP, but the fact that the previous Thai owners own some of the surrounding land worries me more than the current owners owning the stadium tbh
Not that there is that much they can do with it I suppose
I believe it’s part owned by the Dai’s, IIRC there was an REP. Development company set up which RFC had a 25% share in.
The land doesn’t give anyone a ransom over the club (such as happened at Pompey) a season there is still access via roads still owned by RFC .
It would be inconvenient if the Thai’s tried to kick us off that area of land but not sure that is likely. I would reckon before long the Dai’s will buy back the land, either killing development off or to do their own scheme which I suspect might be much more aimed at enhancing the stadium.
by Nameless » 30 Aug 2019 14:54
StrandedThe Enfield Royal71 Its why my beloved FGR will probably never get higher then L1 as DTW said. I doubt we will see any new teams up in the championship anytime soon.
We will see new teams up there - Fleetwood look like making it in the next year or two. As mentioned, it is not the getting there that is the problem but staying there - Burton are the model to follow but staying up involves finding hidden gems from lower divisions who will accept lower wages for the chance to put themselves in the shop window who can do enough and maybe give the club a chance to catch up off the pitch.
The risk of course in getting there, esp. for a team that has come from non-league is that getting there may just be an overstretch - look at what has happened to Yeovil since their one season in the Championship.
by STAR Liaison » 30 Aug 2019 15:47
Dick Habbin's hairdo Not sure how and why this may be relevant, but don't the Thais still own the hotel?
There's a little sign on the wall as one comes out of the bogs at the bar in the hotel which says something like: "In deference to our Thai owners, we aim to offer authentic Thai cuisine in the restaurant ..." or some such nonsense.
by Royals-For-Life » 31 Aug 2019 13:35
wrongunder the tin Modern pro football isn't sustainable.
"How do you become a millionaire football club owner?"
"start off as a billionaire" Copyright Alan Sugar
by Snowflake Royal » 02 Sep 2019 17:12
Royals-For-Lifewrongunder the tin Modern pro football isn't sustainable.
"How do you become a millionaire football club owner?"
"start off as a billionaire" Copyright Alan Sugar
by Green » 02 Sep 2019 17:47
Royals-For-Lifewrongunder the tin Modern pro football isn't sustainable.
"How do you become a millionaire football club owner?"
"start off as a billionaire" Copyright Alan Sugar
by donh99 » 05 Sep 2019 07:58
by Hendo » 05 Sep 2019 08:36
donh99 Rather worryingly we are mentioned in the same article about Derby's ground sale in the Times today.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/spor ... 2086fc05d4
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