by firstdivision » 16 Jul 2006 22:32
by Tilehurst Road » 17 Jul 2006 00:43
I know the score, for sure. But there are definately grey areas 'out there'.firstdivision Hi TR,
I think most reasonable people will be able to work out what is reasonable behaviour. There will always be a couple of miserable so and so's who will take exception if you cheered loudly when a goal was scored but that is the exception, and they are not reasonable.
Take the pub example I used, if someone starts swearing fluently in front of your girlfriend/wife/child under 10 then that is unreasonable, if someone insists on standing in front of you and giving everyone else around them verbal, for daring to want to see the game, rather than look at their back then again that is unreasonable.
Plenty more examples but I am sure you know the score?
by firstdivision » 17 Jul 2006 20:06
by Farnborough Royal » 17 Jul 2006 20:16
sharp_shooter Reading is a family club with a wimpish rep...shame really
by Tilehurst Road » 17 Jul 2006 20:40
And for some, basic manners would be to sit there with no one chanting around them.firstdivision I agree TR, different people have different ideas of what is reasonable behaviour, but I still like my pub analogy as it fits pretty well.
As ever we are at the mercy of the stewards as to what they believe is reasonable behaviour, and whilst most of them will get it right some may not. That having been said if I was a steward, asked someone to sit down and got a load of verbal from them, then I might become unreasonable.
As ever the way you treat people tends to be reflected back in the way you are treated.
I guess it is basic manners really....
by wehateoxford » 18 Jul 2006 11:28
by Jerry St Clair » 18 Jul 2006 11:51
by SpaceCruiser » 18 Jul 2006 11:55
Jerry St Clair Young men....probably make too much noise.
by Jerry St Clair » 18 Jul 2006 12:48
SpaceCruiserJerry St Clair Young men....probably make too much noise.
Isn't that the point of generating an atmosphere?
by Andy M » 18 Jul 2006 13:07
by Wycombe Royal » 18 Jul 2006 13:15
Andy M Still, when the authorities have succeeded in driving away the "yobs" and the newer supporter has lost interest in their new found Saturday afternoon, home games only hobby then perhaps these PC zealots will realise their mistake...
by Winchester Royal » 18 Jul 2006 13:24
by Silver Fox » 18 Jul 2006 13:40
by Winchester Royal » 18 Jul 2006 13:44
by Wycombe Royal » 18 Jul 2006 13:45
Andy M Really? What has made you arrive at that conclusion then? Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make my views "tosh".
Before you answer, may I just clarify that I am totally pro the more passionate supporter, their right to sing chants that others may find offensive although you can take racist chants out of that equation, I'm totally pro supporters who wish to stand being able to do so, I'm totally pro abusing the referee and opposition players and supporters although again not in a racist way, I'm totally pro being able to gesture at away fans or players...
I'm anti violence, I'm anti the idiots who chuck coins or other objects on the pitch, I'm anti supporters not showing respect to those around them and taking things too far and not toning it down when being asked to by others, I'm anti idiots turning up so drunk they can't even stand up... and I'm especially anti the Government using football as a cure ill for all society's ills and their quest in "making the game accessible to all" at the expense of fans who've dedicated their lifes to supporting their clubs.
To me a football stadium is theatre and for 90 minutes each week, I rant, rave, scream, shout, celebrate goals, curse missed opportunities, swear, give stick (and receive it as an away fan) and behave in a way I wouldn't dream of behaving outside the ground.
Why? Because that to me is what being a football fan is all about... it isn't about sitting there in silence, jumping around to orchestrated, naff and tannoyed music, politely applauding goals, clapping some patronised group of school kids who've been wheeled onto the pitch at half time to sing us a song and celebrate diverstiy and not treating the game as one, big politically correct festival.
by wehateoxford » 18 Jul 2006 13:45
by Wycombe Royal » 18 Jul 2006 13:49
Winchester Royal I don't agree with football being used as a vehicle for political correctness, and as something that appears to want to symbolise modern 2.4 family life.
I think it should be allowed to be what it is.
As long as people aren't breaking any laws (inc Discrimination ones) then whats the harm in getting passionate about your team, and having a bit of banter with the away fans?
by TFF » 18 Jul 2006 13:50
wehateoxford because clearly theres a difference between political correctness and racism....
by Winchester Royal » 18 Jul 2006 14:06
Wycombe RoyalWinchester Royal I don't agree with football being used as a vehicle for political correctness, and as something that appears to want to symbolise modern 2.4 family life.
I think it should be allowed to be what it is.
As long as people aren't breaking any laws (inc Discrimination ones) then whats the harm in getting passionate about your team, and having a bit of banter with the away fans?
I have no issue with most of what goes on at football matches, and kids will generally hear worse stuff in the playground.
What I do hate is the selfish attitude of the minority who want to stand and don't care if they block someone elses view.
Football clubs have are tailoring their stadiums and the "experience" it provides to the biggest market, and unfortunately for some that isn't single young men. Families spend more money and get more bums on seats, you only need to see the attendance increases despite huge price hikes to see that.
If in the furure it changes, then clubs will change with it. It is the same in any business. If you don't align yourself with your market you will struggle to get customers.
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