Safe standing end?

[Ian Royal]

Would a safe standing are not require more stewarding which would be pushed onto the ticket cost?

In terms or ticket prices, the favored safe standing option as implemented somewhere in Scotland is to have fold up seats so you have one person per seat, That isn't going to increase capacity so tickets won't be any cheaper.

Reading FC - We're not selling out the ground and I doubt we would gain any extra attendance as a result of inuring the expense of implementing safe standing so why would they bother?

Why would it require more stewarding? Surely less as they don't need to police standing.

the rail seating in Germany (which has fold up seats) allows 80% capacity increase from what I remember of previous discussions. It also doesn't necessarily follow that having fold up seats means you have to have one person per seat, they're bolted up when the standing is in use, unless you've seen it stated somewhere specific.

[Nameless]

Stewarding numbers are at least partly based on crowd numbers so if you up the capacity by 80% it is likely you will need more stewards. But it's going to be fairly marginal cost wise. Perhaps if a 4000 seater stand needs 20 stewards a 6000 stand of safe standing might need 25. It's all about having numbers to manage emergencies, they don't employ extra people to police standing currently.

[Green]

Yeh you have to think for a family club like Reading it would be a backwards move - a lot of the families that now frequent the stadium might be put off if all the yobos from the Elm Park days come back because of terracing.

[WoodleyRoyal]

Yeh you have to think for a family club like Reading it would be a backwards move - a lot of the families that now frequent the stadium might be put off if all the yobos from the Elm Park days come back because of terracing.

[El Diablo]

Yeh you have to think for a family club like Reading it would be a backwards move - a lot of the families that now frequent the stadium might be put off if all the yobos from the Elm Park days come back because of terracing.

[Winston Smith]

I have only ever heard s**t things about the safe standing experience at German games.

OUT! for that reason

[Green]

Yeh you have to think for a family club like Reading it would be a backwards move - a lot of the families that now frequent the stadium might be put off if all the yobos from the Elm Park days come back because of terracing.

[WoodleyRoyal]

Yeh you have to think for a family club like Reading it would be a backwards move - a lot of the families that now frequent the stadium might be put off if all the yobos from the Elm Park days come back because of terracing.

[PeterReadingborn59]

I would welcome the creation of an area where customers can watch a match standing and drinking alcoholic drinks as it would allow those who want to stand to do so:
- without blocking the view of those sat behind them
- avoid the stewards constant requests to sit down
- be with like minded supporters
- generate more atmosphere

Scottish clubs Celtic and Dundee are introducing such areas http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33061483 but I doubt if it will catch on south of the border due to costs, focus on clients who prefer to sit and clubs willingness to listen to customers' requests.

[Ian Royal]

I have only ever heard s**t things about the safe standing experience at German games.

OUT! for that reason

Out from using it or out from it being an option for those who want it?

[Winston Smith]

I have only ever heard s**t things about the safe standing experience at German games.

OUT! for that reason

Out from using it or out from it being an option for those who want it?

Hobnobs 'IN!/OUT!' Rules are purely based on whether you like the sound of something.

get with the programme, the internet's Ian Royal.

[Haag Royal]

Yeh you have to think for a family club like Reading it would be a backwards move - a lot of the families that now frequent the stadium might be put off if all the yobos from the Elm Park days come back because of terracing.

As one of the above mentioned yobos from Elm Park I am now in my mid 50's and am no longer a threat to families and friends at football grounds. So don't worry - me and my kind are past it. Charlie Hurley's Blue and white army!!!

[PeterReadingborn59]

Yeh you have to think for a family club like Reading it would be a backwards move - a lot of the families that now frequent the stadium might be put off if all the yobos from the Elm Park days come back because of terracing.

As one of the above mentioned yobos from Elm Park I am now in my mid 50's and am no longer a threat to families and friends at football grounds. So don't worry - me and my kind are past it. Charlie Hurley's Blue and white army!!!

Charlie Hurley and Maurice Evans names to kindle memories, a standing area would be dominated by those who prefer to stand and make a noise, probably close to away supporters to get the banter going and not near the "family area" or disturbing those in the west stand who prefer a quieter area.

As Bill Oddie showed with his desire to hear the Oddie chant, a large part of going to a football match in a large crowd is to make some noise and to react to incidents on the pitch and that is best done standing rather than remaining planted to the plastic seats.

[Forbury Lion]

Yeh you have to think for a family club like Reading it would be a backwards move - a lot of the families that now frequent the stadium might be put off if all the yobos from the Elm Park days come back because of terracing.

or it could be a positive thing, get all the yobs in one part of the ground away from the families.

[Forbury Lion]

Would a safe standing are not require more stewarding which would be pushed onto the ticket cost?

In terms or ticket prices, the favored safe standing option as implemented somewhere in Scotland is to have fold up seats so you have one person per seat, That isn't going to increase capacity so tickets won't be any cheaper.

Reading FC - We're not selling out the ground and I doubt we would gain any extra attendance as a result of inuring the expense of implementing safe standing so why would they bother?

Why would it require more stewarding? Surely less as they don't need to police standing.

the rail seating in Germany (which has fold up seats) allows 80% capacity increase from what I remember of previous discussions. It also doesn't necessarily follow that having fold up seats means you have to have one person per seat, they're bolted up when the standing is in use, unless you've seen it stated somewhere specific.

For safety reasons, I think they would go with one ticket per seat/standing area, That's how Celtic (I think) have proposed it, That way you don't have any crush risk to fans and can control the number of people in the ground.

I think more stewarding would be required, if only because it's harder to see what's going on in a crowd of fans standing and there would me more risk of people standing where they're not supposed to stand outside of their allocated "seat" area.

[Silver Fox]

I would welcome the creation of an area where customers can watch a match standing and drinking alcoholic drinks........Scottish clubs Celtic and Dundee are introducing such areas http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33061483

Not the alcoholic drinks part they're not. Forget safe standing, trust us to have a pint in our seat like the twats who go to egg chasing

[Nameless]

Sadly football fans have shown repeatedly that alcohol does not improve their behaviour, whereas rugby fans can drink all day and not cause problems, same with cricket.
It's ironic because there is almost certainly a huge cross over between those who attend the various sports.
You can't blame the authorities for deciding that it's not worth the hassle, because the problem is still there.

[tmesis]

I would welcome the creation of an area where customers can watch a match standing and drinking alcoholic drinks........Scottish clubs Celtic and Dundee are introducing such areas http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33061483

Not the alcoholic drinks part they're not. Forget safe standing, trust us to have a pint in our seat like the twats who go to egg chasing

Scottish fans aren't even allowed beer in the concourses. It's been banned at all grounds there since 1980.

[Green]

Even in the lower leagues?

Especially in the lower leagues.

[LUX]

UEFA rules ban alcohol too. I can understand this for high risk games, but I've seen UEFA preliminary round matches over here where (for example) Avenir Beggen have played the third best team in the Faroe Islands, (Magnus will know them) in front of 300 fans and the bar could only sell non alcoholic beer.


Sort it out Platini.