Wolves and Preston tickets

[Dirk Gently]

How long do you think it will be until away tickets are loaded onto are season tickets and we scan them through just like at home.Most clubs seem to be fitting electronic turnstiles these days

Though a good idea, this would not be feasible. Away tickets are either bar code read or chip read tickets. These are specific to the allocation of tickets.

It has been done before - when Man City visited us a few years ago, ISTR. But it's all about which systems are compatible which each other - there are 3 or 4 different systems out in the market and only if clubs use the same type of system - or a compatible one - can it be done.

No idea why it's not done more, though.

[T.R.O.L.I.]

Surely all the powers that be would have to do would be to insist that all clubs have electonic turnstiles and then on the day of the game, the away clubs take some sort of "away card reader" and connect it to the turnstile (similar to these online banking card readers). When the turnstiles open and the fans turn up, they swipe their "home card" with the away game loaded onto it and are allowed admission to the ground.

It's also another barrier in preventing undesirables attending football matches - I know that if someone desperately wants to go to a game they generally will, but this will add another dimension to it as you'll need a member card to get into the ground rather than just a ticket...

[.:BigDaveInTheDungeon:.]

anyone know how many have been sold for Preston yet?

[rg6royal]

Well happy Preston ticket only £5 for me

[Wizard]

Just bought my Preston ticket, £12, jobs a good 'un.

[Dirk Gently]

Surely all the powers that be would have to do would be to insist that all clubs have electonic turnstiles and then on the day of the game, the away clubs take some sort of "away card reader" and connect it to the turnstile (similar to these online banking card readers). When the turnstiles open and the fans turn up, they swipe their "home card" with the away game loaded onto it and are allowed admission to the ground.

It's also another barrier in preventing undesirables attending football matches - I know that if someone desperately wants to go to a game they generally will, but this will add another dimension to it as you'll need a member card to get into the ground rather than just a ticket...

So basically you want an identity card scheme? No getting into a game without one??

You are Mrs Thatcher, enemy of the game, AICMFP!

[working class hero]

Surely all the powers that be would have to do would be to insist that all clubs have electonic turnstiles and then on the day of the game, the away clubs take some sort of "away card reader" and connect it to the turnstile (similar to these online banking card readers). When the turnstiles open and the fans turn up, they swipe their "home card" with the away game loaded onto it and are allowed admission to the ground.

It's also another barrier in preventing undesirables attending football matches - I know that if someone desperately wants to go to a game they generally will, but this will add another dimension to it as you'll need a member card to get into the ground rather than just a ticket...

So basically you want an identity card scheme? No getting into a game without one??

You are Mrs Thatcher, enemy of the game, AICMFP!

Having supported the miners / SOGAT / Seamen's Union et al. I think I can claim to have been no friend of Mrs T....

But stopping some of the terrace violence was actually a saviour to the game.

[Dirk Gently]

Surely all the powers that be would have to do would be to insist that all clubs have electonic turnstiles and then on the day of the game, the away clubs take some sort of "away card reader" and connect it to the turnstile (similar to these online banking card readers). When the turnstiles open and the fans turn up, they swipe their "home card" with the away game loaded onto it and are allowed admission to the ground.

It's also another barrier in preventing undesirables attending football matches - I know that if someone desperately wants to go to a game they generally will, but this will add another dimension to it as you'll need a member card to get into the ground rather than just a ticket...

So basically you want an identity card scheme? No getting into a game without one??

You are Mrs Thatcher, enemy of the game, AICMFP!

Having supported the miners / SOGAT / Seamen's Union et al. I think I can claim to have been no friend of Mrs T....

But stopping some of the terrace violence was actually a saviour to the game.

It certainly was, but the ID card scheme wasn't what stopped the terrace violence.

[The 17 Bus]

Most fans that attend football at the higher levels are more or less in a member scheme already, TROLI'S way can only improve the attitude of SOME away fans.

[66DD]

Surely all the powers that be would have to do would be to insist that all clubs have electonic turnstiles and then on the day of the game, the away clubs take some sort of "away card reader" and connect it to the turnstile (similar to these online banking card readers). When the turnstiles open and the fans turn up, they swipe their "home card" with the away game loaded onto it and are allowed admission to the ground.

It's also another barrier in preventing undesirables attending football matches - I know that if someone desperately wants to go to a game they generally will, but this will add another dimension to it as you'll need a member card to get into the ground rather than just a ticket...

Maybe we need to go a step further. What about pictures on the membership cards? Or even perhaps the turnstiles could have finger print readers linked to a central FA database, or why not go even further and have a central DNA database of all fans and to gain entry you have to provide a urine sample for analysis. This could be collected by the stewards outside the ground and let's face it who wouldn't enjoy pissing on stewards.

[Dirk Gently]

It's also another barrier in preventing undesirables attending football matches - I know that if someone desperately wants to go to a game they generally will, but this will add another dimension to it as you'll need a member card to get into the ground rather than just a ticket...

It's a barrier in anyone attending a football match.

[weybridgewanderer]

How long do you think it will be until away tickets are loaded onto are season tickets and we scan them through just like at home.Most clubs seem to be fitting electronic turnstiles these days

Though a good idea, this would not be feasible. Away tickets are either bar code read or chip read tickets. These are specific to the allocation of tickets.

our own "paper tickets" are chip tickets that are scanned by the same machine as scans the chip in your season ticket

several clubs use the same system, so they could, in theory, read our cards already

there are a number of competing systems, what would need to be defined is some form of standards so that the scanner could read any ticket from any of the competing systems

or the other approach which was give is an "away card reader" which can can be switch to read any of the different card types,

92 league clubs in england, throw in a smattering of non league clubs, another 20 odd teams in scotland that can potentially play in the top league, each of the top leagues across europe ( no reason man utd fans season tickets couldn't be used when they visit barca, bayern etc, who all have barcode readers already)

now there is a business idea to take to the dragons den

[Dirk Gently]

92 league clubs in england, throw in a smattering of non league clubs, another 20 odd teams in scotland that can potentially play in the top league, each of the top leagues across europe ( no reason man utd fans season tickets couldn't be used when they visit barca, bayern etc, who all have barcode readers already)

now there is a business idea to take to the dragons den

From a business idea there's nothing much in it for the clubs to justify the expense of purchase and installation - it makes things easier for the supporters and reduces queuing but the savings to the club - in labour (ticket office staff and turnstile operators are cheap), in ticket printing (not sure how significant this is) and in reducing fraud and the costs of handling cash on the day - are relatively small and it takes quite a few years to cost justify the cost of such a system.

I don't think any clubs have introduced these systems just for the benefits of paperless tickets or to make things easier for supporters - it's what's behind the system which is the real cost/benefit premise.

Behind each system is a CRM (Customer Relationship Management) system, so a club has full knowledge of who is coming to which matches and so can target their marketing to those who they think they can get to attend more games/buy more products. For instance, they can see which games have been attended by people who only come to a few games and then target them specifically to attend other, similar, matches.

So be under no illusions - this is a CRM system with a paperless ticketing front-end, rather than a paperless ticketing system on its own.

[The 17 Bus]

So not having turnstiles operators is not a small saving?? Even though it is well known they conned money from the club.

There is as much in it as there was going to a chip based system in the first place.

There is the control over the away fans, by the home club, we are often told that away fans are allowed more leniency as there is little action that can be taken, like removal of ST, well thats one plus for a start, it might help the home clubs keep their fans seated, and longer term less stewards may be needed, hence there is a cost reduction.

I hope the club dont use the chips that have been on BBB/Click recently, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/c ... 655292.stm

Anything can be cloned, seems that cash on cards is going to be easy to con, load your own money on.!!

[RoyalBlue]

So not having turnstiles operators is not a small saving?? Even though it is well known they conned money from the club.

There is as much in it as there was going to a chip based system in the first place.

There is the control over the away fans, by the home club, we are often told that away fans are allowed more leniency as there is little action that can be taken, like removal of ST, well thats one plus for a start, it might help the home clubs keep their fans seated, and longer term less stewards may be needed, hence there is a cost reduction.

I hope the club dont use the chips that have been on BBB/Click recently, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/c ... 655292.stm

Anything can be cloned, seems that cash on cards is going to be easy to con, load your own money on.!!

I think it extremely likely that the club use exactly that type of chip within their cards! It is one of the, if not the, most widely used chips for access and vending systems.

[Wallington Royal]

Can you pay on the day as I won't now if I can go to Friday as I might not have to work Saturday morning

[readingbedding]

Ecstacy had lots to do with it.
Calmed a lot of the fellas down.

[.:BigDaveInTheDungeon:.]

Ecstacy had lots to do with it.
Calmed a lot of the fellas down.

I wouldn't say it calms you down rather just makes you more likely to give someone a hug rather than smashing their face into floor.

[retro_royal]

Surely all the powers that be would have to do would be to insist that all clubs have electonic turnstiles and then on the day of the game, the away clubs take some sort of "away card reader" and connect it to the turnstile (similar to these online banking card readers). When the turnstiles open and the fans turn up, they swipe their "home card" with the away game loaded onto it and are allowed admission to the ground.

It's also another barrier in preventing undesirables attending football matches - I know that if someone desperately wants to go to a game they generally will, but this will add another dimension to it as you'll need a member card to get into the ground rather than just a ticket...

So basically you want an identity card scheme? No getting into a game without one??

You are Mrs Thatcher, enemy of the game, AICMFP!

Having supported the miners / SOGAT / Seamen's Union et al. I think I can claim to have been no friend of Mrs T....

But stopping some of the terrace violence was actually a saviour to the game.

Disagree just people venting their frustration after a hard weeks work and as long as they don't bring none Loons into it it should be aloud.

[Wallington Royal]

I can go to Preston now. Does anyone know if you can pay on the day?