by Brogue » 10 Jul 2024 22:47
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by NathStPaul » 10 Jul 2024 22:59
by Uke » 10 Jul 2024 23:02
Brogue
by Snowflake Royal » 10 Jul 2024 23:42
NathStPaul This victory is all the more remarkable given Kalvin Phillips wasn't there.
by Vision » 11 Jul 2024 01:53
by Loafer » 11 Jul 2024 05:17
Vision I for one take no pleasure in England reaching their first ever final outside of England.
We should hand our spot over to the Netherlands for fear of embarrassment.
Or. Once again we did what was needed . We’ were for most of the game the team with the ball making all of the running whilst the supposedly noble opposition sat back hoping to catch us on the break .
Substitutions clearly pure luck and nothing to do with the manager who has been bailed out by individual brilliance . As opposed to Spain of course who didn’t need to rely on Yamal and Olmo producing pieces of individual brilliance to win their semi final . The fact that Spain didn’t have a single shot at goal for 50 minutes after their 2nd goal and had fewer touches in the box than England in their semi is purely good game management and not negativity from their manager.
Hopefully the football gods will reward the team that had half the attempts on goal and fewer touches on the opposition penalty area than England in their semi final .
Or maybe we should just appreciate the current achievement of the manager of a National Team that had only won one major trophy previously in getting to back to back Euro finals.
by Royal Rother » 11 Jul 2024 07:41
by Sutekh » 11 Jul 2024 07:55
Royal Rother The realist in me says that although we were much better (again) last night, VAR did us a massive favour with that awful penalty decision.
Looking at it again and again, I have to agree that that is a free kick anywhere else on the pitch, therefore it should also be penalised in the penalty area. Players just aren't allowed to go studs up any more and although it's harsh that are the rules these days. Even if it wasn't England deserved to at least be level at half time so no real harm done.
The pessimist in me fears that Southgate will be overly cautious in the final, allowing Spain to dictate and Monday morning we’ll be looking back on another missed opportunity.
The optimist in me says that Spain have peaked too early, Southgate will have learned from history, seize the moment, put us on the front foot from the off, not sit back when we take an early lead, and it really is CH.
It’s a struggle for me, but I’m going to let the optimist in me be the dominant force this week, (leading to likely massive disappointment on Sunday night).
(Ah, 4 days to work on it but looks like the pessimist and realist in me are still bloody strong!)
Probably we all expect another anti climatic outcome, but one day it won't work out like that. Certainly think it wouldn't be a surprise to see Southgate set up to frustrate rather than taking the game to the Spanish but hoping that perhaps he and his management team might be really positive and look to analyse the Spanish for weaknesses and build a team to exploit them. Really hope it can be settled in open play and not penalties.
by Stranded » 11 Jul 2024 08:14
by Brogue » 11 Jul 2024 08:24
by Sanguine » 11 Jul 2024 08:31
by Snowflake Royal » 11 Jul 2024 08:44
Brogue Saw a reply last night and saka clearly hand balled it twice in the run up to the penalty. Missed by everyone it seems hmmm
https://x.com/sundeto91/status/18111557 ... zleRCWjxvA
by Brogue » 11 Jul 2024 08:49
Snowflake RoyalBrogue Saw a reply last night and saka clearly hand balled it twice in the run up to the penalty. Missed by everyone it seems hmmm
https://x.com/sundeto91/status/18111557 ... zleRCWjxvA
That angle doesn't show clear contact, the ball could just be travelling near to the arm along the same plane.
And as Stranded pointed out, it only matters if Kane scored the shot.
by NathStPaul » 11 Jul 2024 08:53
Snowflake RoyalNathStPaul This victory is all the more remarkable given Kalvin Phillips wasn't there.
Well lifted from twitter
by St Pauli » 11 Jul 2024 09:01
Stranded Anyone who doesn't think that was a penalty clearly subscribe to the view that a foul is somehow different outside of the box than in. Easy for the ref to miss but simple question is, if seen, would that have been a free kick on say the halfway line - if the answer, as it is here, is a simple yes then it is a penalty. None of this it was soft rubbish, it was a clear foul.
Now if you want to try and find a reason for it not to be given, the ball did find its way to Kane off of Saka's arm but this may well just have been luck for England as it was not intentional. If Kane had scored with his shot, then it would have been a free kick to the Netherlands but as he missed and was fouled, it was not handball under the rules, so the foul was given.
Anyway, England played like a different team for a lot of that and even when they sat back more in the 2nd half, looked much more incisive on the counter. If they play like that, they will have a chance more than a decent chance on Monday.
by Franchise FC » 11 Jul 2024 09:13
BrogueSnowflake RoyalBrogue Saw a reply last night and saka clearly hand balled it twice in the run up to the penalty. Missed by everyone it seems hmmm
https://x.com/sundeto91/status/18111557 ... zleRCWjxvA
That angle doesn't show clear contact, the ball could just be travelling near to the arm along the same plane.
And as Stranded pointed out, it only matters if Kane scored the shot.
Not sure I understand stranded or your point. For arguments sake let’s say it did hit his hand. But you’re saying it’s not handball even though it hit his hand because we didn’t score? I’m just making sure I understand what you’re saying. You are allowed to handball it, as long as you don’t score? I was not aware of this rule
by Franchise FC » 11 Jul 2024 09:17
St PauliStranded Anyone who doesn't think that was a penalty clearly subscribe to the view that a foul is somehow different outside of the box than in. Easy for the ref to miss but simple question is, if seen, would that have been a free kick on say the halfway line - if the answer, as it is here, is a simple yes then it is a penalty. None of this it was soft rubbish, it was a clear foul.
Now if you want to try and find a reason for it not to be given, the ball did find its way to Kane off of Saka's arm but this may well just have been luck for England as it was not intentional. If Kane had scored with his shot, then it would have been a free kick to the Netherlands but as he missed and was fouled, it was not handball under the rules, so the foul was given.
Anyway, England played like a different team for a lot of that and even when they sat back more in the 2nd half, looked much more incisive on the counter. If they play like that, they will have a chance more than a decent chance on Monday.
If the Saka hand ball isn’t a handball it’s because it’s not intentional.
Was the intent of the defender to bring Kane down or to block the shot? Imo he’s clearly trying to block the shot, not foul Kane.
by St Pauli » 11 Jul 2024 09:38
Franchise FCSt PauliStranded Anyone who doesn't think that was a penalty clearly subscribe to the view that a foul is somehow different outside of the box than in. Easy for the ref to miss but simple question is, if seen, would that have been a free kick on say the halfway line - if the answer, as it is here, is a simple yes then it is a penalty. None of this it was soft rubbish, it was a clear foul.
Now if you want to try and find a reason for it not to be given, the ball did find its way to Kane off of Saka's arm but this may well just have been luck for England as it was not intentional. If Kane had scored with his shot, then it would have been a free kick to the Netherlands but as he missed and was fouled, it was not handball under the rules, so the foul was given.
Anyway, England played like a different team for a lot of that and even when they sat back more in the 2nd half, looked much more incisive on the counter. If they play like that, they will have a chance more than a decent chance on Monday.
If the Saka hand ball isn’t a handball it’s because it’s not intentional.
Was the intent of the defender to bring Kane down or to block the shot? Imo he’s clearly trying to block the shot, not foul Kane.
Except that a handball CAN be deemed accidental and therefore not an offence.
A trip or kick does not depend at all on whether it was accidental, indeed the laws do not make any reference to deliberate in that case
So, in attempting to block a shot if you kick or trip an opponent, it’s a foul (and that includes a studs up challenge, which last night’s clearly was)
As has been said, literally anywhere else on the pitch that is a foul, so why should it not be just because it’s inside the penalty area
by Snowflake Royal » 11 Jul 2024 09:43
BrogueSnowflake RoyalBrogue Saw a reply last night and saka clearly hand balled it twice in the run up to the penalty. Missed by everyone it seems hmmm
https://x.com/sundeto91/status/18111557 ... zleRCWjxvA
That angle doesn't show clear contact, the ball could just be travelling near to the arm along the same plane.
And as Stranded pointed out, it only matters if Kane scored the shot.
Not sure I understand stranded or your point. For arguments sake let’s say it did hit his hand. But you’re saying it’s not handball even though it hit his hand because we didn’t score? I’m just making sure I understand what you’re saying. You are allowed to handball it, as long as you don’t score? I was not aware of this rule
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