World Cup Bid

[Row V]

One of my colleagues here in the US has just told me that his daughter has been working many, many hours over the past two months working on aspects of the Qatar bid.

[prostak]

One of my colleagues here in the US has just told me that his daughter has been working many, many hours over the past two months working on aspects of the Qatar bid.

Is there anything else to that? NO OFFENC guy, just a touch...dry?

[Victor Meldrew]

Three things that have been commented on in the past few days:-

(1)Unlike Platini (France) and Beckenbauer (Germany) none of our old star players have put themselves forward for admin jobs involved with world football so there are never any big hitters looking after our interests from within.

(2)We appear to have tried to make a big thing about how good our product is now and seemingly rested on our laurels by suggesting that if we have a good league product we therefore automatically deserve a world cup.
This is where the areas of humility and arrogance come in.

(3)Our bid members were complacent and didn't seem to know what they were meant to be doing and our last minute three do not have any idea about diplomacy.

Don't agree on points 2 & 3 BR.

Our bid wasn't all about we invented the game and have a great league and so deserve the WC. It was about us having the existing infrastructure and represent a low risk and high quality bid and with a country brimming full of entusiasm for football. The bit lacked was the lasting legacy and taking the game to a new market that FIFA wanted. We showed that football could have a massive impact here still by showing all the good things bringing the country and communities together can bring (see papereyes mate from Manchester etc).

In terms of the bid team not knowing what they were doing. I don't think that was the case either. They knew they were in danger of being gazumped and did pretty much everything they could (the last minute handshaking etc) to counter that without getting into a bidding war through bribes to secure the bids.

Not my views HB,just stuff that I have read in the papers.

[Royal Rother]

Just read the last few pages and if anybody is remotely interested - I agree with every sentiment expressed by HB, so not much point in posting my thoughts as they've already been said.

[SLAMMED]

He still won't like you, no matter how hard you try...

[RoyalChicagoFC]

One of my colleagues here in the US has just told me that his daughter has been working many, many hours over the past two months working on aspects of the Qatar bid.

Is she fit?

I ask only because winter's deep chill is setting in, and with it my mind's gone right into the qatar

Bwah hah hah hah haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

[Royal Rother]

People keep saying how hot it is but I thought qatar was normally associated with a cold.

Worse?

[prostak]

One of my colleagues here in the US has just told me that his daughter has been working many, many hours over the past two months working on aspects of the Qatar bid.

Is she fit?

I ask only because winter's deep chill is setting in, and with it my mind's gone right into the qatar

Bwah hah hah hah haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

I have to congratulate you, as that's the first Qatar pun I've seen which uses the correct pronunciation. Kudos.

[prostak]

People keep saying how hot it is but I thought qatar was normally associated with a cold.

See? Most are like this.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

And without England they make even more without Murdoch to take off his cut - Simpleser

Of course this could also be Murdoch's masterplan to cut FIFA out of footie altogether and hand the game to him

Well that depends really. If England break from Fifa and yet the Premiership stays commercially as strong Fifa will lose money. I'd also hazard a guess that anything England do will be in unison with Spain and the US.

... and Australia, for sure, who are absolutely livid about the 2011 fit-up.

The Russia & Qatar governments have both agreed to underwrite any loss of sponsorship and TV income that FIFA would lose by them hosting it (a USA-hosted WC would get approx 120% more sponsorship than a Qatar sponsoered one, for instance.)

But if England, USA, Spain & Australia could get the likes of Germany and France to come on board too, that wraps up about 80% of the sponsorship and TV markets by value.

Maybe, but that's based on the assumption that England pulling out would mean no tv revenue or sponsorship from England, which is a ridiculous assumption.

[RoyalChicagoFC]

One of my colleagues here in the US has just told me that his daughter has been working many, many hours over the past two months working on aspects of the Qatar bid.

Is she fit?

I ask only because winter's deep chill is setting in, and with it my mind's gone right into the qatar

I have to congratulate you, as that's the first Qatar pun I've seen which uses the correct pronunciation. Kudos.

Well thankya --I've sort of been hanging back for 30-plus pages in the vain hope of letting someone else tap it in (and there seems, per wiki anyway, to be a clear distinction between the Standard Arabic pronunciation and how it's said in the local dialect --more like GIT-ar in the latter case, which only leaves me to wonder if Ziggy ever played it, jamming good with Weird, Gilly and the rest)

[Svlad Cjelli]

... and Australia, for sure, who are absolutely livid about the 2011 fit-up.

The Russia & Qatar governments have both agreed to underwrite any loss of sponsorship and TV income that FIFA would lose by them hosting it (a USA-hosted WC would get approx 120% more sponsorship than a Qatar sponsoered one, for instance.)

But if England, USA, Spain & Australia could get the likes of Germany and France to come on board too, that wraps up about 80% of the sponsorship and TV markets by value.

Maybe, but that's based on the assumption that England pulling out would mean no tv revenue or sponsorship from England, which is a ridiculous assumption.

To a certain extent, but the inevitable implication is that there'd be an alternative World Cup held by the breakaway orgainisation. Then it'd be be a question of sponsors & TV audiences choosing between England, Australia, France, USA, Germany, Spain etc or Fiji, Trinidad & Tobago, Nigeria, Colombia etc, etc.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

To a certain extent, but the inevitable implication is that there'd be an alternative World Cup held by the breakaway orgainisation. Then it'd be be a question of sponsors & TV audiences choosing between England, Australia, France, USA, Germany, Spain etc or Fiji, Trinidad & Tobago, Nigeria, Colombia etc, etc.

Like the way that sponsors & tv choose between showing the Olympics and the EUROs you mean?

[Row V]

One of my colleagues here in the US has just told me that his daughter has been working many, many hours over the past two months working on aspects of the Qatar bid.

Is there anything else to that? NO OFFENC guy, just a touch...dry?

This quite upset some of the footie loving Yanks I work with!

[Mr Angry]

Talk of England leaving FIFA is just that - talk. It simply isn't going to happen no matter how much TalkSport bleat on about it.

What I would like to see though is the Premier League taking the initiative with goal line technology now that the sword of Damocles is no longer hanging over everything English football does domestically. If we pioneer it independently and its seen to work, then other countries will adopt it.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Talk of England leaving FIFA is just that - talk. It simply isn't going to happen no matter how much TalkSport bleat on about it.

Individually that's, correct. The strategy is to sound out support amongst significant allies, a la G14 and UEFA.

[Mr Angry]

Talk of England leaving FIFA is just that - talk. It simply isn't going to happen no matter how much TalkSport bleat on about it.

Individually that's, correct. The strategy is to sound out support amongst significant allies, a la G14 and UEFA.

Hmmmmm - I can't see UEFA backing that at all, especially not with Platini eyeing up Blatter's job.

"sounding out support" conjures up exactly the sort of back-room dealing that everyone is so up in arms about, and I'm sure the irony of getting individuals to promise you something such as this isn't lost on many people! It will end up like the John Terry Press Conference at the World Cup, with England playing the JT role....................

There is something else; England is in an unbelievably weak position from an organisational point of view to be demanding FIFA change things. We have 3 distinct bodies (FA, PL and the Football League) who have different agendas, and 1 of them has no leader at the moment. It would be better if we had a single body representing English football.

[Y21_Royal]

As this is the FIFA bashing thread I thought this would be the best place to post this rather than start a new thread - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/9264548.stm

Ghana is facing sanctions and possible banning from international football after the Ghanian fraud squad raided the offices of the Ghanian football association.

FIFA take a dim view of ANY government interference in the running of football but something's clearly wrong with this. It's one thing to ban a country when the government have dismissed the entire FA to install their own lackeys but when the police and court of well developed, democratic country have just cause to investigate fraud allegations, surely that is a different matter altogether. Clearly it remains to be seen what actually happens with this but its fantastically coincidental that this is happening in the immediate aftermath of Panorama, etc.

What odds on FIFA closing ranks and getting defensive about one of their own, yet again, rather than instigating an investigation?

[Victor Meldrew]

The Russia & Qatar governments have both agreed to underwrite any loss of sponsorship and TV income that FIFA would lose by them hosting it (a USA-hosted WC would get approx 120% more sponsorship than a Qatar sponsoered one, for instance.)

But if England, USA, Spain & Australia could get the likes of Germany and France to come on board too, that wraps up about 80% of the sponsorship and TV markets by value.[/quote]
Maybe, but that's based on the assumption that England pulling out would mean no tv revenue or sponsorship from England, which is a ridiculous assumption.[/quote][/quote]

To a certain extent, but the inevitable implication is that there'd be an alternative World Cup held by the breakaway orgainisation. Then it'd be be a question of sponsors & TV audiences choosing between England, Australia, France, USA, Germany, Spain etc or Fiji, Trinidad & Tobago, Nigeria, Colombia etc, etc.[/quote]


What if we didn't get the new world cup for another 44 years?
Would we keep on forming breakaway groups until we got it?

[Hoop Blah]

Blatter has now come out and said we're just bad losers apparently.