John Terry

[Ferris]

and the message said...............

The message called Campbell a big f****** n*****

He's only 5 ft 8

[DelBoyRodders]

...and name calling (racism in some people's minds) is the worst crime anyone can commit.
You have a better chance of being allowed to work again if you actually beat someone up.
Stupid oxf*rd country!

[No Fixed Abode]

Set to lead out England tonight.

[Silver Fox]

Yet another reason to LOL @ the current England setup really

[Hoop Blah]

What's the team supposed to be tonight? Something like this?

Hart or Carson

Walker
Baines
Terry
Cahil

Walcot
Barry
Rodwell
Johnson

Zamora
Sturridge

[Extended-Phenotype]

A bit late to the conversation, I know. But I don't give a shit really.


Hoop Blah / No Fixed Abode:

The idea behind ‘fat cnut’ is to insinuate there is something wrong with being fat.

Likewise, the idea behind ‘black cnut’ is to insinuate there is something wrong with being black.

The motive behind the insult, i.e. whether you meant to work somebody up, or genuinely carry the belief, is completely irrelevant. It’s a racist slur, and if you feel comfortable using them, you are a racist.

So personally, I hope you both catch some sort of wasting disease.


Ian Royal:

‘Black’ maybe descriptive, but when used as a derogatory term the connotations and associations are with racial prejudice. The same with idiot Sun readers who excuse terms like "Pak*" a simple abbreviation. The subtext of that word is not taken to be an abbreviation. It’s a word that hurts and stirs fear and pain, because it is associated with hatred.

Whatever you regard as justifiable language, what we are talking about here is the ‘dialogue of the racist’. If you do not agree with racists, refrain from using or mitigating their terminology.

[cmonurz]

Difficult to disagree with any of that, EP.

And fwiw your username is my favourite in all of Hobnob land.

[No Fixed Abode]

A bit late to the conversation, I know. But I don't give a shit really.


Hoop Blah / No Fixed Abode:

The idea behind ‘fat cnut’ is to insinuate there is something wrong with being fat.

Likewise, the idea behind ‘black cnut’ is to insinuate there is something wrong with being black.

The motive behind the insult, i.e. whether you meant to work somebody up, or genuinely carry the belief, is completely irrelevant. It’s a racist slur, and if you feel comfortable using them, you are a racist.

So personally, I hope you both catch some sort of wasting disease.


Ian Royal:

‘Black’ maybe descriptive, but when used as a derogatory term the connotations and associations are with racial prejudice. The same with idiot Sun readers who excuse terms like "Pak*" a simple abbreviation. The subtext of that word is not taken to be an abbreviation. It’s a word that hurts and stirs fear and pain, because it is associated with hatred.

Whatever you regard as justifiable language, what we are talking about here is the ‘dialogue of the racist’. If you do not agree with racists, refrain from using or mitigating their terminology.

Look, its the PC brigade.

[Hoop Blah]

EP, I get where your coming from but of my motive is to bait the recipient of my abuse then it's topic doesn't mean I subscribe to any preconceived ideals around that character or physical trait.

If I get the reaction I want then that's all I'm interested in at that point. I'm not saying that's a nice thing to do, but sometimes it's been the reality of the situation. It doesn't mean I'm going to limit opportunities or pre-judge someone on the basis of the topic I've abused them on.

[FiNeRaIn]

Difficult to disagree with any of that, EP.
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really? Stopped readng when he started wishing a " wasting disease" on a poster on a football forum.

[cmonurz]

Difficult to disagree with any of that, EP.
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really? Stopped readng when he started wishing a " wasting disease" on a poster on a football forum.

You of all posters should be grateful people can read beyond pointless or insulting platitudes.

[FiNeRaIn]

Difference between insulting and wishing harm/disease on people, i've been more than respectful in that regard.

[Compo's Hat]

[Silver Fox]

That's going to leave Kes with a resl dilemma isn't it?

[cmonurz]

That one has backfired on the FA somewhat.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Look, its the PC brigade.

Yeah, it’s sh/t all this PC bollox, isn’t it? Thinking about what you say before you say it, and peoples feelings – f/ck that, right? I want to be free to open my p1ss guzzling mouth and say anything I want, whenever I want, because I’m a miserable speck of turd on the shitbowl of society, and if I don’t have the celebrated trait of machismo hard talkin’, I’d have to fall back on my intellect and cock size, and that would be f/cking disasterous.

EP, I get where your coming from but of my motive is to bait the recipient of my abuse then it's topic doesn't mean I subscribe to any preconceived ideals around that character or physical trait.

If I get the reaction I want then that's all I'm interested in at that point. I'm not saying that's a nice thing to do, but sometimes it's been the reality of the situation. It doesn't mean I'm going to limit opportunities or pre-judge someone on the basis of the topic I've abused them on.

You are insinuating the colour of somebody’s skin is a flaw, to cause upset. I don’t care how you justify it to yourself to sleep easy at night, it’s the behaviour of a racist. What’s that Ian Huntley? You don’t really fancy kids and agree with chopping them up, you just did it to get a reaction? Walk free, my good man! What’s that Joseph Fritzel? You are actually against rape deep down, but you wanted to p1ss your daughter off for eating all the Tafelspitz? Welcome home my lad – I saw the pictures buddy; can you help me out with my grouting? Great job.

really? Stopped readng when he started wishing a " wasting disease" on a poster on a football forum.

Oh no, a w&nkbiscuit who is p/ssed at me from another thread has said he isn’t going to read my post on this one! How will I COPE. What is this, f/cking Mumsnet? Get over it you wet-eyed tart, I’m not a shamen and they won’t contract CWD. All better, or are you going to start following me around in The Oracle disagreeing with all my choices in clothes?

What a drizzle of jizzle.

[cmonurz]

Extended Phenotype is my new favourite poster, sorry melonhead, your time is up.

[Hoop Blah]

Yeah, of course EP, you're spot on there. Me choosing to say something to deliberately provoke an extreme reaction is akin to raping my own children.

I don't have to agree with something to say it. I don't have to think its acceptable or polite when all I want to do is get the biggest reaction to suit my end aim. It's nice, it's not fair, it's not socially acceptable. If it gets me what I need at the time though I'll probably go with it.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Hoop Blah, try and digest what is being said without dribbling facts and themes down your vacant face.

Racism is the belief that skin colour justifies discrimination. You are attacking somebody’s skin colour, and saying it’s a justifiable trait to discriminate against. People who AREN’T racist, don’t consider skin colour an acceptable or justifiable target for abuse. If you are engaging in and justifying the use of racist patois, you are a f/cking racist.

If you genuinely don’t believe in the inferiority of other races, but still want to relish reducing a grown man to tears, direct your insults at more superficial traits, and steer clear of stuff that carries such a painful and frightening history that really shouldn’t be used against somebody in a trivial situation like f/cking football.

Ya fat bastard.

[Hoop Blah]

Really? Are you actually reading what I'm posting?

At what point have I said race or skin colour justifies discrimination?

I've said that if the circumstances require me to provoke an extreme reaction then it's a trait I might target to get that reaction. It's not condoning racism or even condoning the abuse. It's just using it to reach my desired end.

Am I racist? No. Have I used racist language in the past yes. There is a difference which I think you're struggling to comprehend.

Using language that I don't approve of, but am willing to use, is just taking whatever steps I need to get what I need. Now that's not something that is something to be too proud of as such, but I'm not going to hide the fact that it's something I've done in the past and would probably do again if I felt it was needed.