Football analysts on TV

[Silver Fox]

ibitsa and majawkuh

[Barry the bird boggler]

Should it be Aston Veeya perhaps? Wouldn't give me any problems if a Spaniard pronounced like that, it'd give me a laugh, just like some of our attempted pronounciations of their names would give them

[LUX]

oooh, who's right?

[Zaretsky]

yes, but you did not answer the question.

In English, we say Paris to rhyme with Harris. Is that acceptable by your criteria?

Paris is what the city is officially called in the English language, rather than a mispronunciation. It is just the same as calling Roma "Rome" or Moskva "Moscow", even if the spelling hasn't changed.

There is no official English way to pronounce Jimmy Kebe, which is why we don't call him Jimmy Keeb or keebee.

How do you pronounce Ibiza or Majorca?

The first bit about the cities is right. But the fact that we have to use foreign words/names without our own English version doesn't mean there isn't a 'correct' pronunciation. I would say this would be as close to the original language as possible (given the limitations of English sounds) and where there are multiple correct pronunciations e.g. Ibiza or Majorca/Mallorca, either used consistently is acceptable. Easy.

[Royal Rother]

Wow. This is right up there in the HNA Great Debates list alright.

[Zaretsky]

Should it be Aston Veeya perhaps? Wouldn't give me any problems if a Spaniard pronounced like that, it'd give me a laugh, just like some of our attempted pronounciations of their names would give them

They do.

[Super_horns]

Not surprisingly, more people chose to watch BBC than ITV on a 6:1 ratio.

Always the way..I think people just get fed up with the ITV adverts.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

yes, but you did not answer the question.

In English, we say Paris to rhyme with Harris. Is that acceptable by your criteria?

Paris is what the city is officially called in the English language, rather than a mispronunciation. It is just the same as calling Roma "Rome" or Moskva "Moscow", even if the spelling hasn't changed.

There is no official English way to pronounce Jimmy Kebe, which is why we don't call him Jimmy Keeb or keebee.

How do you pronounce Ibiza or Majorca?

The first bit about the cities is right. But the fact that we have to use foreign words/names without our own English version doesn't mean there isn't a 'correct' pronunciation. I would say this would be as close to the original language as possible (given the limitations of English sounds) and where there are multiple correct pronunciations e.g. Ibiza or Majorca/Mallorca, either used consistently is acceptable. Easy.

Anyone who calls Ibiza "Ibeeza" just sounds like an ignorant cretin. Anyone who'd try to claim that's the right way to say it because we are in England, is pretty much beyond help.

An approximation is fine. Few are every going to get a lot of Dutch names right, especially the ones with Gs in them, so being roughly right is OK. Calling Ruud Gullit "Rud Gullet" with a hard G, or the other hand, isn't. I remember Jack Charlton using that one, and you could practically hear his co-commentator cringing every time. Those old enough to remember the 1986 world cup will know it's not always foreign names either. Mick Channon's inability to say Lineker was outstanding, going on about "the boy Line-Acre" repeatedly.



Overall though, it does seem utterly bizarre that people would complain about people trying to pronounce things correctly. On what planet does deliberately pronouncing something wrong, just because how the letters are said in England, make any sense? I can just imagine them shouting at the screen during Euro 2012, outraged that an Englishman would say he's in "vrotswav" rather than "rock-law"

[soggy biscuit]

yes, but you did not answer the question.

In English, we say Paris to rhyme with Harris. Is that acceptable by your criteria?

Paris is what the city is officially called in the English language, rather than a mispronunciation. It is just the same as calling Roma "Rome" or Moskva "Moscow", even if the spelling hasn't changed.

There is no official English way to pronounce Jimmy Kebe, which is why we don't call him Jimmy Keeb or keebee.

Not sure I understand the point being made above but the correct pronounciation is 'kaybay' so that it how I pronounce it to a bloke at work with the name.

Not for our jimmy though, wouldn't sound right singing his name like that!

[Zaretsky]

Wow. This is right up there in the HNA Great Debates list alright.

That may be but I think we can all agree on the correct pronunciation of T-W-A-T

[LUX]

Anyone who calls Ibiza "Ibeeza" just sounds like an ignorant cretin. Anyone who'd try to claim that's the right way to say it because we are in England, is pretty much beyond help.

An approximation is fine. Few are every going to get a lot of Dutch names right, especially the ones with Gs in them, so being roughly right is OK. Calling Ruud Gullit "Rud Gullet" with a hard G, or the other hand, isn't. I remember Jack Charlton using that one, and you could practically hear his co-commentator cringing every time. Those old enough to remember the 1986 world cup will know it's not always foreign names either. Mick Channon's inability to say Lineker was outstanding, going on about "the boy Line-Acre" repeatedly.



Overall though, it does seem utterly bizarre that people would complain about people trying to pronounce things correctly. On what planet does deliberately pronouncing something wrong, just because how the letters are said in England, make any sense? I can just imagine them shouting at the screen during Euro 2012, outraged that an Englishman would say he's in "vrotswav" rather than "rock-law"

i think you've taken this everso slightly too seriously.

[Wax Jacket]

not having that on Mick Channon either, that's just good old Wiltshire ways

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Anyone who calls Ibiza "Ibeeza" just sounds like an ignorant cretin. Anyone who'd try to claim that's the right way to say it because we are in England, is pretty much beyond help.

An approximation is fine. Few are every going to get a lot of Dutch names right, especially the ones with Gs in them, so being roughly right is OK. Calling Ruud Gullit "Rud Gullet" with a hard G, or the other hand, isn't. I remember Jack Charlton using that one, and you could practically hear his co-commentator cringing every time. Those old enough to remember the 1986 world cup will know it's not always foreign names either. Mick Channon's inability to say Lineker was outstanding, going on about "the boy Line-Acre" repeatedly.



Overall though, it does seem utterly bizarre that people would complain about people trying to pronounce things correctly. On what planet does deliberately pronouncing something wrong, just because how the letters are said in England, make any sense? I can just imagine them shouting at the screen during Euro 2012, outraged that an Englishman would say he's in "vrotswav" rather than "rock-law"

i think you've taken this everso slightly too seriously.

Well I was just drafting a letter to my MP about it....but maybe I'll just stop, and call off the protest march too.

What can I say though? I just have a low tolerance of people who regard their ignorance as a birthright.

...which does kind on neatly get us back to tv pundits again.

[Dave the rave]

If you're talking to a dude and he tells you how to actually pronounce his name, surely it's only polite to try and do it the way he says...?

Perhaps this is why the pronunciation of AVB's name changed once the chaps down the BBC had a chance to talk to him?

Yet I bet Villas-Boas still didnt pronounce his name exactly like Gary Lineker et al's "viy-ash bo-ash". All it did was make them sound like they were taking to p*ss out of Steve Maclaren!

I think personally I wouldnt want to really chat to anyone that wanted their name pronounced perfectly. Its like being in France and someone not selling me a stamp as my pronunciation wasn't perfect enough. They knew what I was saying but were too aloof to help me out. I would certainly never ask a foreigner to keep repeating my name until is was said with a perfect Reading accent. To do so would be arrogance of epic proportions. A decent stab so it is understandable should suffice

Corrected for you.

And while we're at it; he's called Jimmy Kebe he pronounces as he wants!

[Royal Rascal]

bring back john barnes.

also roy keane needs a cuddle.

[soggy biscuit]

The New Camp
The Berna-bow (rhyme with now)

[Wimb]

Dixon's tweeted he's leaving the BEEB, rumours are he's going to ITV.

Now if we can get rid of Lawro...

[leon]

Dixon's tweeted he's leaving the BEEB, rumours are he's going to ITV.

Now if we can get rid of Lawro...

Dixon's the only decent regular pundit

[Simon's Church]

Dixon's tweeted he's leaving the BEEB, rumours are he's going to ITV.

Now if we can get rid of Lawro...

Dixon's the only decent regular pundit

Yep, wonder which ex liverpool player the BBC will get to replace him.

[leon]

Dixon's tweeted he's leaving the BEEB, rumours are he's going to ITV.

Now if we can get rid of Lawro...

Dixon's the only decent regular pundit

Yep, wonder which ex liverpool player the BBC will get to replace him.

Andy Carroll