Weekend Football 15th/16th/17th September

[ZacNaloen]

The look on Aguero's face is brilliant

[Maguire]

Not worth a new thread so this can go here, Guardian has highlighted a youtube video of a David Platt bicycle-kick at City training this summer.

Brilliant technique, I guess you just don't lose that. Not bad for 46!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVYY5Uuo8dA

I look forward to the next clip you post that last went round two months ago.

[cmonurz]

Not worth a new thread so this can go here, Guardian has highlighted a youtube video of a David Platt bicycle-kick at City training this summer.

Brilliant technique, I guess you just don't lose that. Not bad for 46!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVYY5Uuo8dA

I look forward to the next clip you post that last went round two months ago.

I look forward much more to your response to such a clip.

[Maguire]

Not worth a new thread so this can go here, Guardian has highlighted a youtube video of a David Platt bicycle-kick at City training this summer.

Brilliant technique, I guess you just don't lose that. Not bad for 46!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVYY5Uuo8dA

I look forward to the next clip you post that last went round two months ago.

Apols, not quite two months ago

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/9 ... z227dixPIQ

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

I've clearly stated "professional" not non-league/Sunday league etc........it has to be a level playing field from the Premiership down to League Two, not just the top 2 divisions that Ian Royal stated

Why?

They don't have TMOs in 2nd tier rugby matches, and that's not a problem.

The don't have the hawk-eye system at every court at Wimbledon during the championship, and that's not a problem.

Why is it unfair for premiership clubs to have it if league 2 clubs don't, yet apparently fair for League 2 clubs to have it, but BSP clubs not?



Sports that use it such systems throughout the world have no problem with only using it at the highest level. Why is football different?

[TBM]

Cos as i've already said...........as soon as it happens in league two then the same argument will appear and we'll be back to square one. Why should it only be installed at the "top clubs"? - what makes their game so special that they deserve it but the lower league clubs don't?

[Ian Royal]

Not mid-way through the season, which is why I said you might as well just go straight to that, because you can't make any changes until next season anyway. Christ, it's like talking to three year olds.

Where do you draw the line though? Who pays for this technology to be installed and maintained?

Surely you've got to have a level playing field throughout the world of football not just the Premier league. Hence why having a 5th official is far easier and fair

So park football has refs with radio mikes? Assistant refs have flags with buzzers to alert the ref with? Are there fourth officials there?

EDIT: Oops already answered.

Two extra officials at 19 / 23 games a season, each season, costs how much in comparison to installing simple goal line tech?

Nonsense argument.

Firstly, no reason it couldn't eventually be rolled out to lower league clubs over a longer period. Do you really think that extra officials would go all the way down to League Two? Do me a favour, that's delusional.

And part of the reason it's necessary, is because of all the TV replays at PL and to a lesser extent Championship games. No replays, much less controversy as no one can second guess the officials with any certainty. Except with unbelievably glaring mistakes.

It's necessary to prevent obvious and utterly unnecessary mistakes. Once you're at a level where a) far fewer people are interested and b) there's no clear way of being able to tell for certain that the ref & assistant have arsed it up. It's less of an issue.

[TBM]

Why do you keep mentioning park football - read what I've put above.

Ok so you've installed goal line technology - then next season a player dives for a penalty or is offside ala Torres v Us, do you then install cameras to decide these decisions? As I said, where do you draw the line?

At least just employing that extra official it still gives that human felling to the sport.

[Ian Royal]

:roll:

Why do you keep mentioning park football - read what I've put above.

Ok so you've installed goal line technology - then next season a player dives for a penalty or is offside ala Torres v Us, do you then install cameras to decide these decisions? As I said, where do you draw the line?

At least just employing that extra official it still gives that human felling to the sport.

shit slippery slope argument is shit. Where do you draw the line? At technology that can't provide an instantaneous and definite answer to the referee.

We've given refs radio mikes and lino's buzzers in the flags. Where do we draw the line? installing an AI computer system to replace them and make all decisions.

[TBM]

You've got great debating skills Ian

Let's just leave it if you can't reply with sense

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Cos as i've already said...........as soon as it happens in league two then the same argument will appear and we'll be back to square one.

No we won't.

It doesn't need to be a solution that fixes the problem for all levels of the game, nor all professional levels of the game.

As I've said already. Nobody at all has any problem with technology not being used at all levels in other sports, so what makes football special?

Why should it only be installed at the "top clubs"? - what makes their game so special that they deserve it but the lower league clubs don't?

Because they can afford it.

By your reasoning top clubs shouldn't be able to invest in advanced pitch technology, undersoil heating, electronic substitution boards, microphone communication between officials, prozone analysis etc etc, because League Two clubs can't afford it.


It's quite simple. Bring in the technology and you eradicate 1/4 of the goal-line mistakes in the professional game.

If you accept that eradicating 100% is impossible due to cost, that leaves you with a choice between eradicating 25% or eradicating none. In no sane world is going for the 0% option better.

[TBM]

Valid points Rev and you may not believe that Im not 100% against the idea, I just want football to feel natural.

My other worry is like I say, when you've installed it for goal line tech do you then take it a step further and have it call offsides for the lino? Can we use replays to see if it's a penalty? Can we check if a tackle was a red card or not? All these arguments will be raised with people saying "well you've got the technology for goal lines...."

5-10+ years ago nobody was taking about goal line technology but now it's the must thing, that's how I see the above going until we have a game lasting as long as a NFL game.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

With the technology they seem to be talking about, it wouldn't be possible.

It's not a case of the decision going upstairs for review, but an instant electronic detection of the ball crossing the line. There's no real way of expanding that for offsides, handball decisions etc.


In rugby, for this season, they have actually expanded the TV official's role to also check for infringements in the build up to tries, but it's still very much in the hands of the officials.

In Tennis they have a system where players are allowed to question three decisions, so they can't just query every close call. It would be easy to have a similar system in place in football if there was the chance of tv officials being allowed to review calls.

[cmonurz]

A ‘review’ system would be interesting in football only to see a player sheepishly admitting to his captain that he dived as he is about to use that review.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

I'm violently against anything that involves replays or potentially "winding" the game back. That would fundamentally change the game and not for the better.

Instant notification of "line" decisions would be great, but that's where it has to stop.

[John Madejski's Wallet]

I'm violently against anything that involves replays or potentially "winding" the game back. That would fundamentally change the game and not for the better.

Instant notification of "line" decisions would be great, but that's where it has to stop.

Won't stop with goal line technology though.....which is why I'm dead opposed to goal line technology.

In fact, we don't even have it, and already you hear mention of using video tech for checking handballs or pens.


something that automatically gives a goal if the ball crosses the line (chip in ball) is ok i suppose but even Hawkeye would be the thin end of the wedge as in involves some sort of replay

[LWJ]

Just wanted an easy 6 pager m8. I know your game!

[ZacNaloen]

I'm violently against anything that involves replays or potentially "winding" the game back. That would fundamentally change the game and not for the better.

Instant notification of "line" decisions would be great, but that's where it has to stop.

Won't stop with goal line technology though.....which is why I'm dead opposed to goal line technology.

In fact, we don't even have it, and already you hear mention of using video tech for checking handballs or pens.


something that automatically gives a goal if the ball crosses the line (chip in ball) is ok i suppose but even Hawkeye would be the thin end of the wedge as in involves some sort of replay

Once it's in for off-sides i'll be satisfied.

If they want to discourage handballs and diving then punish after the game using video evidence not during.

[creative_username_1]

i'd suggest we just test all the technology, keep what works and fook the rest off. Get the 'philosophical' arguments over
and done with and provide us with some empirical evidence.

I'd be quite happy to see even more confusion by getting rid of the goals and replacing them with jumpers (gtf that was
post and in etc). It's a game and it's about the refs decision. If it's a billion dollar business lets take each other to court
over every decision.

^^^i'm ill at the min so appreciate the last paragraph is blx

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

even Hawkeye would be the thin end of the wedge as in involves some sort of replay

It doesn't. The replay is just done for effect really. The computer will have worked out the decision in an instant.