The Non - League thread

[Royal Rother]

Tough, basically.

If a person or consortium(hopefully fan run or involved at least) have the clubs honest good intentions at heart then you'd like to think they'd get involved in the club to give you 'a team to watch on a Saturday afternoon' that may be 2 levels, 3 levels or 4 levels down on the previous club but there will be a club there, ran honestly and to whatever budget it can afford and sustain.If that rule stops another fly by night pillock buying a club only to make it go to the wall 3 years later then all the better.

Again, I pretty much agree with all that.

[Hoop Blah]

Well there's obviously a sub-plot that is bringing out the defensive tone then.

It certainly reads as though your defending the outcome of the NEW club (which isn't new at all really) being where they are, with the facilities thay have, and the support base they have (interesting that an element appear to have walked away though).

[Terminal Boardom]

What is interesting is the concept of Windsor getting promoted. At the moment, Guildford City are in the hot seat and favourites to win promotion. There are also the likes of Horley Town, Egham Town and Hanworth Villa snapping at their heels. Plus there is Windsor and we are not yet halfway through the season. Add to that the matter of ground grading which affected Guildford City last season which means there is a long way to go.

Then there is the matter of Step 5 reorganisation where the discussion is around reducing 14 leagues to 12. Plus, if Guildford City do go up to Step 4, one of the clubs that will replace them is Guernsey. If Guernsey do next season what they are doing this then they will go up as well. Therefore, your wish for a newly formed club, owing to financial irregularities, being stuck at a level for 3 seasons will actually happen.

But that is a lot of ducks to get in a roww before it happens. I am just happy to be watching football at Stag Meadow.

[Terminal Boardom]

Well there's obviously a sub-plot that is bringing out the defensive tone then.

It certainly reads as though your defending the outcome of the NEW club (which isn't new at all really) being where they are, with the facilities thay have, and the support base they have (interesting that an element appear to have walked away though).

Oh yes. The piece that was in the local press about Legions of fans deserting the new club Sure. Some have decided to walk away. That's their perogative. I walked away from Reading. When I was a kid, a friend switched alliegance from Chelsea to Southampton because Peter Osgood was transferred. It happens all the time and it will happen in the future.

What is undeniable at the moment is that the average attendance this season is higher than the average in the 2009/10 Championship season. Unfortunately, I do not have the attendance figures to hand for the 2010/11 season. What does that suggest? Are new supporters being attracted to the club? Are some of the old ones coming back?

The bottom line is that people are watching football at Stag Meadow and if there was not football being played there, those people may have been lost to the game altogether.

[Royal Rother]

Well there's obviously a sub-plot that is bringing out the defensive tone then.

It certainly reads as though your defending the outcome of the NEW club (which isn't new at all really) being where they are, with the facilities thay have, and the support base they have (interesting that an element appear to have walked away though).

They have walked away because of Keith Scott's appointment not for any other reason to my knowledge.

I haven't even mentioned the facilities, the support, the ground or the infrastructure so I certainly haven't been defensive about them. It is what it is. They came as part of the package the new owner pulled together.

As it happens they might all disappear if The Crown want to play rough (to my limited knowledge a full lease still hasn't been granted because The Crown apparently want a share of any profits from future non-football commercial ventures, and that's a sticking point). If that happens then the existing plan will be torn up and a new one put in place which presumably would involve park football or ground sharing.

Interestingly Kevin Stott has admitted that tactically he should probably have waited another year before applying to the league. In that time all the dotting and crossing of leases, new investment for self-funding initiatives could have been completed, but after the despair of liquidation there was a feel-good factor and excitement that everyone wanted to capitalise on. In the longer run actually playing this season has made those issues more difficult to focus on and progress.

But right now it is what it is and we are where we are.... in the future, who knows? Whatever will be will be!!

[Hoop Blah]

Oh yes. The piece that was in the local press about Legions of fans deserting the new club

Touched a nerve?

I was actually just responding to the post RR made about some fans going elsewhere. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no interest in the politics amongst Windsor/W&E fans and the causes of any splits.

I'm just a supporter of people being involved in the game at whatever level they find most enjoyable and as such I'm passing comment on a situation where I think it's understandable that fans of other effected clubs (and those that weren't so effected perhaps) look at the new Windsor FC with a bit of bemusement in the same way as Reading fans do the likes of West Ham, Leicester, Portsmouth, Southampton, Cardiff, Leeds etc.

I'm pleased there's a decent team left in Windsor though.

[Tredder]

It all sounds a little bit Aldershot.

[Terminal Boardom]

Oh yes. The piece that was in the local press about Legions of fans deserting the new club

Touched a nerve?

I was actually just responding to the post RR made about some fans going elsewhere. Nothing more, nothing less. I have no interest in the politics amongst Windsor/W&E fans and the causes of any splits.

I'm just a supporter of people being involved in the game at whatever level they find most enjoyable and as such I'm passing comment on a situation where I think it's understandable that fans of other effected clubs (and those that weren't so effected perhaps) look at the new Windsor FC with a bit of bemusement in the same way as Reading fans do the likes of West Ham, Leicester, Portsmouth, Southampton, Cardiff, Leeds etc.

I'm pleased there's a decent team left in Windsor though.

So am I.

Thing is, W&E went into liquidation. The likes of West Ham etc did not. The worst they suffered was Administration. Two completely different things.

[Hoop Blah]

Not really different. The only difference is that there is a bigger appetite to save clubs the further up the pyramid you go and the more outside influences and support their is to make those rescue packages work.

If you think anyone else sees them as anything but the same club then I think you're kidding yourself.

[Four Of Clubs]

... to more mundane things - for those not drawn to watch 'our lot' vs the Happy 'ammers - here's tomorrow's 'local' NL action - incl full Trophy Draw :-

(no twiddly bits - need to dash off to youngest's school play!)

FA Trophy 1st Round Proper
1 Northwich Victoria v Fleetwood Town
2 Colwyn Bay v Lincoln City
3 Vauxhall Motors v Kidderminster Harriers
4 Stockport County v Stalybridge Celtic
5 York City v Solihull Moors
6 Barrow v Harrogate Town
7 Nuneaton Town v AFC Telford United (Sun 11 Dec 2.00)
8 Guiseley v FC United of Manchester (12.00)
9 Wrexham v Hinckley United
10 Droylsden v Mansfield Town
11 Grimsby Town v Darlington
12 Gateshead v Kettering Town
13 Worksop Town v Tamworth
14 North Ferriby United v Chester
15 Alfreton Town v Southport
16 Boston United v Hyde
17 Salisbury City v Lowestoft Town
18 Luton Town v Swindon Supermarine
19 Didcot Town v Basingstoke Town
20 Chelmsford City v Bath City
21 Wealdstone v Uxbridge
22 Truro City v Ebbsfleet United
23 Hampton & Richmond Borough v Hayes & Yeading United
24 Carshalton Athletic v Bishop’s Stortford
25 East Thurrock United v Welling United
26 Staines Town v Maidenhead United
27 Weymouth v Chippenham Town
28 Boreham Wood v Cambridge United
29 Brackley Town v Dartford
30 AFC Hornchurch v Farnborough
31 Newport County v Forest Green Rovers
32 Gosport Borough v Braintree Town

CONFS
Dover v Bromley
Eastleigh v Thurrock
Woking v Sutton Utd

ISTH1S
Godalming Town v Sittingbourne

SOUTHP
Cambridge City v Chesham United
SOUTH1C
Beaconsfield SYCOB v Burnham
Bedworth United v Chertsey Town
Chalfont St. Peter v Slough Town
Fleet Town v Rugby Town
Marlow v Ashford Town (Middx)
SOUTH1S&W
Abingdon United v Stourport Swifts
Thatcham Town v Sholing
Tiverton Town v Hungerford Town
Wimborne Town v North Leigh

CCLP
Chessington & Hook United v Epsom & Ewell
Cove v Farnham Town
Croydon v Ash United
Egham Town v Colliers Wood United
Guildford City v Mole Valley SCR
Hanworth Villa v Dorking
Horley Town v Badshot Lea
Molesey v Banstead Athletic
Raynes Park Vale v Camberley Town
South Park v Windsor
Wembley v Sandhurst Town
EL Records Premier Challenge Cup – 3rd Round
Cobham v CB Hounslow United
CCL1
Bookham v Hartley Wintney
Farleigh Rovers v Feltham (2.00 p.m.)
Frimley Green v South Kilburn
Sheerwater v Westfield (2.00 p.m.)
Spelthorne Sports v Warlingham (2.00 p.m.)
Staines Lammas v Eversley
Worcester Park v Bedfont Sports (2.00 p.m.)

Tonight - Fri 9th Dec
CCL1
Knaphill v Guernsey (7.30 p.m.)

HELLP
Abingdon Town v Slimbridge
Binfield v Ardley United
Bracknell Town v Henley Town
Cheltenham Saracens v Wokingham & Emmbrook
Highworth Town v Kidlington
Holyport v Witney Town
Oxford City Nomads v Fairford Town
Shrivenham v Flackwell Heath
Wantage Town v Thame United
HELL1E all 14:00h KOs
Chinnor v Letcombe
Lambourn Sports v Chalfont Wasps
Penn & Tylers Green v Newbury
Woodley Town v Finchampstead

WESS1
Ringwood Town v Tadley Calleva
Verwood Town v Fleet Spurs
Whitchurch United v Hythe & Dibden

[Royal Rother]

Not really different. The only difference is that there is a bigger appetite to save clubs the further up the pyramid you go and the more outside influences and support their is to make those rescue packages work.

If you think anyone else sees them as anything but the same club then I think you're kidding yourself.

It doesn't really matter a jot how people perceive the new club - the important thing is that it is being run very differently from W&E.

Unconnected to the debate on here, this is a comment from a long-time fan on the Windsor Forum today which sums it up quite nicely...

Our crowds are up, we have good sponsors, advertising boards up all around the ground and the bar is booked out most weekends for private functions so commercially the club is doing very well. The club has never been run more like a business than it is now.

[Hoop Blah]

I'm glad it's being run in a much more professional, effective and sustainable way. That's good for all concerned.

That doesn't stop it being the same old club but with a different name and new management on board and certainly doesn't put right the wrongs or impacts the previous regimes actions caused.

You seem to be denying that the two are linked and that that's why there will still be some raw feeling towards the club (which as a complete neutral I can totally understand).

[Royal Rother]

In fact I have been careful not to deny the link, but have pointed out that there actually is a NEW regime, a totally new plan, with many new people involved in the running of the club.

Whatever (totally understandable) perceptions there are out there it is clearly NOT the same club. Maybe the new club's name should have been Great Park FC, and the ground called St Leonards Road. Wouldn't have changed anything of course but it would doubtless have altered some people's perceptions.

[Terminal Boardom]

And Windsor kept the pressure on Guildford with a well earned 1-0 win at South Park. Great banter again with Wazzer who has to be one of the best keepers in the CCL. Great bloke!

[Four Of Clubs]

... this w/e round-up:

FA Trophy 1st Round Proper
1 Northwich Victoria 3-1 Fleetwood Town
2 Colwyn Bay 1-3 Lincoln City
3 Vauxhall Motors 4-4 Kidderminster Harriers
4 Stockport County 2-2 Stalybridge Celtic
5 York City v Solihull Moors
6 Barrow 3-2 Harrogate Town
7 Nuneaton Town 0-2 AFC Telford United
8 Guiseley 2-0 FC United of Manchester
9 Wrexham 1-2 Hinckley United
10 Droylsden 2-1 Mansfield Town
11 Grimsby Town 3-0 Darlington
12 Gateshead 3-2 Kettering Town
13 Worksop Town 1-0 Tamworth
14 North Ferriby United 1-5 Chester
15 Alfreton Town 4-0 Southport
16 Boston United 2-1 Hyde
17 Salisbury City 4-1 Lowestoft Town
18 Luton Town 2-0 Swindon Supermarine
19 Didcot Town 0-1 Basingstoke Town
20 Chelmsford City 2-3 Bath City
21 Wealdstone 5-0 Uxbridge
22 Truro City 2-5 Ebbsfleet United
23 Hampton & Richmond Borough 2-0 Hayes & Yeading United
24 Carshalton Athletic 5-0 Bishop’s Stortford
25 East Thurrock United 2-1 Welling United
26 Staines Town 0-0 Maidenhead United – replay Tuesday
27 Weymouth 2-1 Chippenham Town
28 Boreham Wood 0-1 Cambridge United
29 Brackley Town 0-3 Dartford
30 AFC Hornchurch 0-0 Farnborough replay Wednesday
31 Newport County 0-0 Forest Green Rovers
32 Gosport Borough 0-1 Braintree Town

CONFS
Dover 4-1 Bromley – 4-0 after 30’
Eastleigh 3-2 Thurrock
Woking 4-1 Sutton Utd

ISTH1S
Godalming Town 0-0 Sittingbourne

SOUTHP
Cambridge City 2-2 Chesham United
SOUTH1C
Beaconsfield SYCOB 3-2 Burnham
Bedworth United 1-1 Chertsey Town
Chalfont St. Peter 2-1 Slough Town
Fleet Town 1-1 Rugby Town
Marlow 0-1 Ashford Town (Middx)
SOUTH1S&W
Abingdon United 3-2 Stourport Swifts
Thatcham Town 1-1 Sholing
Tiverton Town 1-2 Hungerford Town
Wimborne Town 1-1 North Leigh

CCLP
Chessington & Hook United 5-5 Epsom & Ewell – E&E 5-2 up after 55’
Cove 3-0 Farnham Town
Croydon 1-2 Ash United
Egham Town 3-3 Colliers Wood United
Guildford City 1-1 Mole Valley SCR
Hanworth Villa 7-0 Dorking
Horley Town PP Badshot Lea – away team unable to raise a team - illness
Molesey 4-0 Banstead Athletic
Raynes Park Vale 1-7 Camberley Town
South Park 0-1 Windsor – Windsor in 2nd 6 pts behind City with a game in hand – host strugglers RPV next Sat. : Guildford at Sandhurst.
Wembley 1-2 Sandhurst Town

EL Records Premier Challenge Cup – 3rd Round
Cobham 3-2 CB Hounslow United
CCL1
Bookham PP Hartley Wintney – Frozen pitch
Farleigh Rovers 3-1 Feltham
Frimley Green 3-1 South Kilburn
Sheerwater 3-3 Westfield
Spelthorne Sports 1-1 Warlingham
Staines Lammas 1-4 Eversley
Worcester Park 1-3 Bedfont Sports

Fri 9th Dec
CCL1
Knaphill 0-8 Guernsey

HELLP
Abingdon Town 1-1 Slimbridge
Binfield 0-3 Ardley United
Bracknell Town 0-2 Henley Town
Cheltenham Saracens 1-0 Wokingham & Emmbrook
Highworth Town 7-0 Kidlington
Holyport 1-3 Witney Town
Oxford City Nomads 6-1 Fairford Town
Shrivenham 5-2 Flackwell Heath
Wantage Town 0-1 Thame United
- Ardley & Nomads pulling clear now they meet on NY Eve – Flackwell and ‘wood have games in hand – Moles back in 6th lost 3 in the last 5 and continued progress in the Vase might hinder them further.
- Moles face an in form OCN (tonight) at Stubbs Lane
- No game for RTFC or Ascot on Sat - yet they meet at the Racecourse on Tuesday night – was presumably racing on this w/e? –– Bracknell go to Kidlington; Wok & Emm host near neighbours Holyport – Henley travel to Shrivenham.
HELL1E
Chinnor 2-0 Letcombe – reportedly biggest crowd of the day (just) in the Hellenic – 83 ?
Lambourn Sports 3-2 Chalfont Wasps
Penn & Tylers Green 1-3 Newbury
Woodley Town 0-1 Finchampstead

WESS1
Ringwood Town 3-1 Tadley Calleva – Tadley being cast adrift at the bottom; now 8 pts behind but have some games in hand.
Verwood Town 1-0 Fleet Spurs
Whitchurch United 4-2 Hythe & Dibden

[Terminal Boardom]

Shrivvy 5 - 2 Flackwell Heath??? Can't believe this. FW are one of the best, strongest, fittest and organised sides we have met this season.

[Barry the bird boggler]

Nice to see Bracknell back to form again. Already think they have virtually no chance of staying up in the Hellenic Premier this season - I reckon they will need to win almost half of all their remaining games to manage it which will be quite some turn around in form.

[Four Of Clubs]

Shrivvy 5 - 2 Flackwell Heath??? Can't believe this. FW are one of the best, strongest, fittest and organised sides we have met this season.

... something's suddenly gone amiss - I suspect a key player or three at the back injured/moved on/unavailable - no clue from their own web site but there must be a reason for them losing three on the bounce - and to concede five at Shrivvy.

Good time for RTFC to go a-visiting Magpie Lane next Sat too.

.... and other than the cup win over 'Heathens' for Binfield; they've hit a bit of a brick wall too - lost 3 in 5 league games incl. two in a row at home - interesting to see how they get on tonight vs Nomads who have been on fire again. Wish I could go but its that time of year when my darling brood are undergoing 'serial' Carol Services leaving me looking after the remainder.....

UPDATE just noticed tonights game at Stubbs showing as Postponed ??

... will check that when I get back from the next stint of 'Dad's Taxis' .......

UPDATE ii) Waterlogged pitch.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Nice to see Bracknell back to form again. Already think they have virtually no chance of staying up in the Hellenic Premier this season - I reckon they will need to win almost half of all their remaining games to manage it which will be quite some turn around in form.

10 or 11 wins from the remaining 20 games doesn't look likely.

10 or 11 goals would probably be an achievement.

The question really is how far through the trapdoor they can fall.

[Tad Showbiz]

Maidenhead out of the FA Trophy - 1-2 defeat to Staines in the replay

The old cliche of concentrating on the league.