VAR

[Sanguine]

Player that heads the ball (so involved) is beyond the goalkeeper and only one defender between him and goal, so offside

What’s the issue ?

Yeah, this. What amazed me the most about the incident was that neither of the two commentators could fathom what the offside call was for. I admit I missed it in real time, but was immediately obvious on the replay.

[Dirk Gently]

Player that heads the ball (so involved) is beyond the goalkeeper and only one defender between him and goal, so offside

What’s the issue ?

Yeah, this. What amazed me the most about the incident was that neither of the two commentators could fathom what the offside call was for. I admit I missed it in real time, but was immediately obvious on the replay.

Ditto. So many people seem to think offside is all about "one defender" rather than about "two players, one of whom may be the goalkeeper"

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Player that heads the ball (so involved) is beyond the goalkeeper and only one defender between him and goal, so offside

What’s the issue ?

Yeah, this. What amazed me the most about the incident was that neither of the two commentators could fathom what the offside call was for. I admit I missed it in real time, but was immediately obvious on the replay.

Ditto. So many people seem to think offside is all about "one defender" rather than about "two players, one of whom may be the goalkeeper"

In the freeze frames I can't see the keeper beyond the player, which really confused me

[Franchise FC]

Yeah, this. What amazed me the most about the incident was that neither of the two commentators could fathom what the offside call was for. I admit I missed it in real time, but was immediately obvious on the replay.

Ditto. So many people seem to think offside is all about "one defender" rather than about "two players, one of whom may be the goalkeeper"

In the freeze frames I can't see the keeper beyond the player, which really confused me

Do you mean you couldn't see him at all, or that you didn't think he was beyond the forward ?

To be fair he should be playing for the Aussies if he's going walkabout that far

[6ft Kerplunk]

Can VAR start checking for foul throws. Refs just don't both checking for players overstepping the touchline anymore.
Also that given that the ball has to be completely over the line for it to be out of play why can you stand on the line to take a throw in, surely once your foot is on the line its on the pitch?

[Whore Jackie]

That's a good point. Often run the line for WJ Junior's team and I will flag if the player has his boot on the pitch ie beyond the touchline, but that is contradictory to the ball out of play, penalty if there's a foul on the penalty box line etc etc.

There does seem to have been numerous times in this WC where there hasn't been a proper throw from behind and over the head, but I can't actually find the exact wording of that in Rule 15.

[6ft Kerplunk]

Its just worded as that isn't it, has to be thrown from behind the head.

[Sutekh]

That's a good point. Often run the line for WJ Junior's team and I will flag if the player has his boot on the pitch ie beyond the touchline, but that is contradictory to the ball out of play, penalty if there's a foul on the penalty box line etc etc.

There does seem to have been numerous times in this WC where there hasn't been a proper throw from behind and over the head, but I can't actually find the exact wording of that in Rule 15.

Think you may be wrong if you’re flagging if a player has part of his foot/feet on the actual pitch as law 15 (see link below) simply states that the player taking the throw in must have a part of each foot on the touchline itself and/or behind the touchline rather than simply their whole foot/feet behind the line which is what I was expecting. Therefore it would seem that if a player opts to stand facing the pitch with both heels on the touchline the throw should still be regarded as lawful.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-go ... e-throw-in

[6ft Kerplunk]

Just shows how useless Fifa are if something simple like keep both feet behind the touchline becomes that complicated. Still don't get how having any part of your foot doesn't mean its in play considering the ball has to be all of the way over the touchline for it to be out of play for a thrown in to be given. They've decided the touchline is both in play and out of play, nonsense.

[Stranded]

Just shows how useless Fifa are if something simple like keep both feet behind the touchline becomes that complicated. Still don't get how having any part of your foot doesn't mean its in play considering the ball has to be all of the way over the touchline for it to be out of play for a thrown in to be given. They've decided the touchline is both in play and out of play, nonsense.

It's where the ball is though not the person touching the ball, which is a rugby rule.

So if a player is fully in touch but manages to knock the ball in play before it is fully out, then play should continue. Likewise, as the ball should start behind the throwers head, if at least part of their feet is on/behind the line, the ball will have started behind the line when it goes behind their head i.e. it will have been behind the touchline fully so the outer edge of the touchline is till the border between in and out of play.

Anyway, I'm sure we aren't far away from a chip in the ball sending a signal to the ref/assistant the moment the ball is fully out of play - would just need a broadening/adaption of existing goalline tech.

[6ft Kerplunk]

It's where the ball is though not the person touching the ball, which is a rugby rule.

So if a player is fully in touch but manages to knock the ball in play before it is fully out, then play should continue. Likewise, as the ball should start behind the throwers head, if at least part of their feet is on/behind the line, the ball will have started behind the line when it goes behind their head i.e. it will have been behind the touchline fully so the outer edge of the touchline is till the border between in and out of play.

Are you supposed to have released the ball before it enters play? Cos if its just your heels that touch the line with the rest of your feet on the pitch when you put the ball behind your head to take the throw its pretty much in play.
I have a similar thing with keepers taking goalkicks right at the edge of their area, quite often looks to me that the hand holding the ball is actually outside the area. Should that count as handball?

[Stranded]

It's where the ball is though not the person touching the ball, which is a rugby rule.

So if a player is fully in touch but manages to knock the ball in play before it is fully out, then play should continue. Likewise, as the ball should start behind the throwers head, if at least part of their feet is on/behind the line, the ball will have started behind the line when it goes behind their head i.e. it will have been behind the touchline fully so the outer edge of the touchline is till the border between in and out of play.

Are you supposed to have released the ball before it enters play? Cos if its just your heels that touch the line with the rest of your feet on the pitch when you put the ball behind your head to take the throw its pretty much in play.
I have a similar thing with keepers taking goalkicks right at the edge of their area, quite often looks to me that the hand holding the ball is actually outside the area. Should that count as handball?

I think the answer with throw ins is that the ball isn't active until it has left the hand so is classed as out of play throughout the movement.

Keepers is one that you file under pragmatic - there probably are instances where the ball was in hand outside the box in the motion of kicking but would take a very brave, and very accurate ref/assistant to call it that way.

[Sanguine]

Feel like VAR has got better this season, fewer controversial decisions. Until Mike Dean got his hands on it at Anfield, of course. Wolves' winner should have stood. No angle appears to show an offside. And Salah was offside for Liverpool's opener - he can't surely be deemed not interfering with play when the Wolves defender only heads the ball because Salah was there.

[Franchise FC]

Feel like VAR has got better this season, fewer controversial decisions. Until Mike Dean got his hands on it at Anfield, of course. Wolves' winner should have stood. No angle appears to show an offside. And Salah was offside for Liverpool's opener - he can't surely be deemed not interfering with play when the Wolves defender only heads the ball because Salah was there.

I'd be more comfortable with the Salah position if the law went something like "a player has 'control' of the ball" to put him back into an onside position. As you've said, that header was never under control and he only attempted it because Salah was there, thus interfering with play

[Sutekh]

Feel like VAR has got better this season, fewer controversial decisions. Until Mike Dean got his hands on it at Anfield, of course. Wolves' winner should have stood. No angle appears to show an offside. And Salah was offside for Liverpool's opener - he can't surely be deemed not interfering with play when the Wolves defender only heads the ball because Salah was there.

I'd be more comfortable with the Salah position if the law went something like "a player has 'control' of the ball" to put him back into an onside position. As you've said, that header was never under control and he only attempted it because Salah was there, thus interfering with play

Things used to be so much easier before all this fiddling about with the law. As Brian Clough “to say, if a player isn’t interfering with play what the **** is he doing on the pitch?”

[Winston Biscuit]

Cadiz have requested to replay their game against Elche from Monday night from the 81st minute onwards after the VAR team didn't pick up an offside player on the goal they conceded. The draw meant they stayed in the bottom 3 but its so tight down there that a win would have seen them move up 4 places.

They say they will take legal action against La Liga if they cannot replay it

player in white on the right of the screen about to have the ball played to him

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Cadiz have requested to replay their game against Elche from Monday night from the 81st minute onwards after the VAR team didn't pick up an offside player on the goal they conceded. The draw meant they stayed in the bottom 3 but its so tight down there that a win would have seen them move up 4 places.

They say they will take legal action against La Liga if they cannot replay it

player in white on the right of the screen about to have the ball played to him

I think they've got every right to ask because it's clearly a wrong decision in what is a black or white decision.

However, where does the book stop with things like this? The only problem I can see then is clubs demanding replays for all decisions that they feel go against them, particularly offsides, such as Wolves at Anfield in the FA Cup.

[Winston Biscuit]

where does the book stop with things like this?

There would be reaper cushions for sure!

[Sutekh]

Cadiz have requested to replay their game against Elche from Monday night from the 81st minute onwards after the VAR team didn't pick up an offside player on the goal they conceded. The draw meant they stayed in the bottom 3 but its so tight down there that a win would have seen them move up 4 places.

They say they will take legal action against La Liga if they cannot replay it

player in white on the right of the screen about to have the ball played to him

I think they've got every right to ask because it's clearly a wrong decision in what is a black or white decision.

However, where does the book stop with things like this? The only problem I can see then is clubs demanding replays for all decisions that they feel go against them, particularly offsides, such as Wolves at Anfield in the FA Cup.

Shouldn’t be allowed. You wouldn’t get it because of the simple human error of the match officials. People just need to accept that “**** happens” instead of moaning and whining about every little thing. Reading had to accept that at Burnley, so should they take the FL to court to introduce VAR in the Championship or to have the final 5 minutes of that game replayed starting with the penalty?

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Cadiz have requested to replay their game against Elche from Monday night from the 81st minute onwards after the VAR team didn't pick up an offside player on the goal they conceded. The draw meant they stayed in the bottom 3 but its so tight down there that a win would have seen them move up 4 places.

They say they will take legal action against La Liga if they cannot replay it

player in white on the right of the screen about to have the ball played to him

I think they've got every right to ask because it's clearly a wrong decision in what is a black or white decision.

However, where does the book stop with things like this? The only problem I can see then is clubs demanding replays for all decisions that they feel go against them, particularly offsides, such as Wolves at Anfield in the FA Cup.

Shouldn’t be allowed. You wouldn’t get it because of the simple human error of the match officials. People just need to accept that “**** happens” instead of moaning and whining about every little thing. Reading had to accept that at Burnley, so should they take the FL to court to introduce VAR in the Championship or to have the final 5 minutes of that game replayed starting with the penalty?

The issue with a foul is that it's a subjective decision. Even if it's "clearly obvious" that it's a foul, that's still someone's opinion. Whereas offside isn't, it's just as simple as you either are or you aren't offside.

Nothing will come of it because you would then have teams complaining about every decision that goes wrong in a game and asking for a replay.