John Terry

[swansea jack]

What exactly did he say then?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2011/oct/24/john-terry-anton-ferdinand-video

[Svlad Cjelli]

Not sure how all of this will pan out for Anton Ferdinand.

[Mr Angry]

It all seems to be edging towards another 'old scholl tie' fit up, and he'll not be charged with anything, as i said, the moment it went to the CPS, that was the end of it.

I just thought that because it was in the hands of the CPS, then they would either prosecute him or not, but the FA still had to decide what punishment (if any) they would deliver.
If it's a case of, CPS to decide, then he's off scott free.

The FA would still need to charge him first Tredder; they can't just dish out a punishment without hearing the evidence...

But where is the difference between this and Suarez, the FA didn't sent the Suarez case to the CPS, why would they send the Terry one, other than the police wanting to prosecute Terry in a court of law.

The FA should still charge/not charge Terry, irrespective of whether the courts think it's a chargable offence or not, or am i reading this all wrong?

Firstly, it wasn't the FA that sent the Terry case to the CPS; it was the police based on a complaint made by a member of the public.

Secondly, the police may well have looked into the Suarez case and decided that the evidence FOR A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION was so flimsy as to not constitute even sending it to the CPS for consideration.

Thirdly, the FA WILL charge Terry as soon as the legal course has run its length; it cannot charge Terry before then as it would have been seen as prejudicial to his possible legal case, and it can't charge him now as it would be sub judice. Be being charged by the Police,Terry won't charge by the FA now until AFTER he is judged in Court and either sentenced or acquitted.

[Mr Angry]

I can't see how Terry can remain as England captain even if acquitted; simply being charged and having to go to Court for something as inflammatory as this will make the blazers at Lancaster Gate have kittens.

[No Fixed Abode]

I can't see how Terry can remain as England captain even if acquitted; simply being charged and having to go to Court for something as inflammatory as this will make the blazers at Lancaster Gate have kittens.

But he hasn't been found guilty yet. Until then, he should remain captain.

[Mr Angry]

Oh dear...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ayers.html

QPR have denied themselves that any player has put in a statement

Mr A is a little slow on this one. The three players in question won't be making a statement (confirmed by QPR) as there is nothing to this story.

Oooooops....................................

[Mr Angry]

I can't see how Terry can remain as England captain even if acquitted; simply being charged and having to go to Court for something as inflammatory as this will make the blazers at Lancaster Gate have kittens.

But he hasn't been found guilty yet. Until then, he should remain captain.

And if he is found guilty, then what would you think?

[Scylla]

Who said "Yep - charged for racially abusing Evra. I expect Liverpool to sack him now."

Hint - leading expert on chamios leather

[Bandini]

"I have never aimed a racist remark at anyone and count people from all races and creeds among my closest friends. I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence. I have campaigned against racism and believe there is no place for it in society."

Is the word "creed" or "creeds" used in any other circumstance than "I can't have said a racism, I have black m8s".

[Extended-Phenotype]

"black cnut"
"WHAT?"
"I said, I would never call you a black cnut."
"Wha.. why would you say that?"
"In case you thought I might be racist."
"Huh? Why would I think you are racist?"
"Because I called you a black cnut."

[TFF]

Not sure how all of this will pan out for Anton Ferdinand.

Sadly, I think it's all too predictable

[swansea jack]

"I have never aimed a racist remark at anyone and count people from all races and creeds among my closest friends. I will fight tooth and nail to prove my innocence. I have campaigned against racism and believe there is no place for it in society."

Is the word "creed" or "creeds" used in any other circumstance than "I can't have said a racism, I have black m8s".

The Master of Disaster, The King of Sting, The Dancing Destroyer, The Prince of Punch, The One and Only....Appppppooooooolllllllloooooooo Crrrrrreeeeeddddddd

[soggy biscuit]

"I have never aimed a racist remark at anyone and count people from all races and creeds among my closest friend

He actually used the comedic 'I am not racist, I have black friends' line

Lol, just lol

[Bandini]

Good point swansea jackers.

BBC news - they showed the footage of the Terry/Ferdinand confrontation, but blurred Terry's mouth so you couldn't see him say "black cunt". Unbelievable.

[Hoop Blah]

The flaw in Terry's I was only saying "I never called you a black..." is that from what I remember there was no "a" between the you and black on the video clip I saw.

Well, that and the apparent fact that Ferdinand wasn't aware of the incident, let alone the conversation, until after the game.

[Royal With Cheese]

Good point swansea jackers.

BBC news - they showed the footage of the Terry/Ferdinand confrontation, but blurred Terry's mouth so you couldn't see him say "black cunt". Unbelievable.

Looking at the guardian footage I believe it's "fucking black cunt."

To be honest both Liverpool and chelsea's reaction is laughable but totally predictable.

And as for the fans, it would appear that most of them would happily have a convicted paedo in their ranks if they scored a hat-trick in every game.

[cmonurz]

Still a bit bamboozled by a) the constant comparison of these cases as if they are similar, and b) the inability of many to understand that you need context for racial abuse, not just a word itself.

[floyd__streete]

Is it normal for the CPS to announce and announcement?

Yes, in high-profile cases such as this. CPS seem to want to generally improve its public profile and somehow seem a bit deluded in thinking that in giving big coverage to cases like this they will somehow improve public confidence in the service


Loved the Chelsea statement! "Chelsea FC has always been fully supportive of John in this matter and will continue to be so.....the club finds all forms of discrimination abhorrent and we are proud of the work we undertake campaigning on this important issue." So if found guilty we can assume he will be dismissed by the club? I think not . Another example if it were needed of the self-importance and double-standards in football generally (not just CFC).

[SpaceCruiser]

The flaw in Terry's I was only saying "I never called you a black..." is that from what I remember there was no "a" between the you and black on the video clip I saw.

Well, that and the apparent fact that Ferdinand wasn't aware of the incident, let alone the conversation, until after the game.

Mmmmm, isn't there somebody getting in the way of the camera to make it a bit difficult to know what was said prior to the two words?

[Terminal Boardom]

Much as I dislike John Terry, he is still innocent until proven otherwise. So, for this reason alone there should be no reason to remove the England captaincy from him - regardless that I don't think he should be captain in the first place.