Fabrice Muamba

[RobRoyal]

United games postponed after Munich -2
Liverpool games postponed after Hillsborough - 2

Bolton games postponed after a player spends a couple of nights in hospital - 2 and a half and counting.

The self pettying over grieving twats.

I'm not sure I see the problem. The Bolton matches have been postponed because their other 10 players on the pitch have had a traumatic experience. If they'd like to postpone the game and the opposing club have no problem with it then where's the issue?

The postponement of the games has not happened out of respect to Muamba, so I don't see how comparing it to greater tragedies is relevant.

[Big Foot]

United games postponed after Munich -2
Liverpool games postponed after Hillsborough - 2

Bolton games postponed after a player spends a couple of nights in hospital - 2 and a half and counting.

The self pettying over grieving twats.

I'm not sure I see the problem. The Bolton matches have been postponed because their other 10 players on the pitch have had a traumatic experience. If they'd like to postpone the game and the opposing club have no problem with it then where's the issue?

The postponement of the games has not happened out of respect to Muamba, so I don't see how comparing it to greater tragedies is relevant.

Leader of Bolton Council objecting to the "disproportionate amount of publicity given by the press to Manchester United" in May 1958:
"I thought the public were getting tired of all the tremendous amount of publicity concerning Manchester United. I hoped to see on Saturday not an emotional spectable but rather 22 fit players giving a good game of football." (From the Bolton Evening News)


Fack em

[Rex]

So did the highly paid doctors save his life or God?

Im confused!

I think that is the religious angle there. If you believed in doctors there wouldn't be a problem.

[exileinleeds]

So did the highly paid doctors save his life or God?

Im confused!

I think that is the religious angle there. If you believed in doctors there wouldn't be a problem.

The thing is, many Africans are far far more religious than we in Britain. I don't know if his mrs is, but imagine she is, then if she believes in God and the power of prayer, maybe she was comforted to believe that many many prayers were being said, and that they would help.

Is it such a bad thing?

[Franchise FC]

Just heard Owen Coyle update about his conversation with FM.

It went :

"Now that you can hear me Fabrice, why the f#ck weren't you tracking back ?"


Clearly, I wouldn't be posting anything like this if FM was still critical

[Rex]

So did the highly paid doctors save his life or God?

Im confused!

I think that is the religious angle there. If you believed in doctors there wouldn't be a problem.

The thing is, many Africans are far far more religious than we in Britain. I don't know if his mrs is, but imagine she is, then if she believes in God and the power of prayer, maybe she was comforted to believe that many many prayers were being said, and that they would help.

Is it such a bad thing?

Not on a personal level no. Do not think he has made a turn around due to the power of thought though. In this instance clearly medical intervention helped. Comfort in prayer is a personal thing which if this has helped his partner then that is fine. The well wishes as his plight were heart warming but certainly only assisted those who were receptive of this at that point in time. The fact that it will actually push the professional medical support at club level will be the best thing to come out of this - other than the recovery of Fabrice.

[exileinleeds]

You believe it is entirely down to the medics- yet sometimes despite their best efforts, a different outcome happens...doctors frequently do everything they can, but have to wait and see...maybe it is prayer that makes the difference. No harm in believing that.
Better than the JW nuts who withhold medical intervention, and expect god to do it alone.

[Rex]

Sometimes stone cold logic prevails. I don't think a miracle happened.

[exileinleeds]

Sometimes stone cold logic prevails. I don't think a miracle happened.

You are probably right.

Just thank god it happened in front of train medics, a cardiac specialist, close to one of the best cardiac centres in the country. Imagine if it had happened at the wheel of his car, in bed asleep, or in the street.

[RobRoyal]

You believe it is entirely down to the medics- yet sometimes despite their best efforts, a different outcome happens...doctors frequently do everything they can, but have to wait and see...maybe it is prayer that makes the difference. No harm in believing that.
Better than the JW nuts who withhold medical intervention, and expect god to do it alone.

It wasn't prayer, because prayer has been proven to be ineffective (actually on average patients who are prayed for do worse). The fact that sometimes medics do their best and still fail has the square root of fuck all to do with supernatural causes. And of course such a statement implies that, while God quite likes Muamba, he thinks rather less of those intensive care victims who don't make it.

[3 veesinarow]

United games postponed after Munich -2
Liverpool games postponed after Hillsborough - 2

Bolton games postponed after a player spends a couple of nights in hospital - 2 and a half and counting.

The self pettying over grieving twats.

Number of Bolton games postponed - 1 - the Spurs game was abandoned, as was Hillsborough.

[Deadlock]

You believe it is entirely down to the medics- yet sometimes despite their best efforts, a different outcome happens...doctors frequently do everything they can, but have to wait and see...maybe it is prayer that makes the difference. No harm in believing that.
Better than the JW nuts who withhold medical intervention, and expect god to do it alone.

It wasn't prayer, because prayer has been proven to be ineffective (actually on average patients who are prayed for do worse).

You'll be able to back that up with journal-published peer-reviewed studies, of course.

[RobRoyal]

You'll be able to back that up with journal-published peer-reviewed studies, of course.

These two meta-analyses:

K. Masters, G. Spielmans, J. Goodson "Are there demonstrable effects of distant intercessory prayer? A meta-analytic review." Annals of Behavioral Medicine 2006 Aug;32(1):21-6

David R. Hodge, "A Systematic Review of the Empirical Literature on Intercessory Prayer" in Research on Social Work Practice March 2007 vol. 17 no. 2 174-187

find that the efficacy of intercessory prayer falls to nothing as the quality of the study increases.

[Pepe the Horseman]

He was dead for 78 minutes apparently.

[TFF]

He was dead for 78 minutes apparently.

#justlikejesus

[Stretts]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... iac-arrest

An Indian footballer died after collapsing on the pitch during a district-level league match, the All India Football Federation (AIFF) has announced.

Local media reported the 27-year-old Bangalore Mars striker D Venkatesh collapsed following a cardiac arrest at the Bangalore Football Stadium. With no ambulance available, his team-mates hired a tuk-tuk (an auto-rickshaw) to take him to a local hospital where Venkatesh was declared dead, one report said.

[soggy biscuit]

#pray4dvenkatesh

[Rex]

One report said. Did the others contradict this. There's hope yet.

[shadesrwrf]

You'll be able to back that up with journal-published peer-reviewed studies, of course.

These two meta-analyses:

K. Masters, G. Spielmans, J. Goodson "Are there demonstrable effects of distant intercessory prayer? A meta-analytic review." Annals of Behavioral Medicine 2006 Aug;32(1):21-6

David R. Hodge, "A Systematic Review of the Empirical Literature on Intercessory Prayer" in Research on Social Work Practice March 2007 vol. 17 no. 2 174-187

find that the efficacy of intercessory prayer falls to nothing as the quality of the study increases.

Owned.

[just some bloke]

You'll be able to back that up with journal-published peer-reviewed studies, of course.

These two meta-analyses:

K. Masters, G. Spielmans, J. Goodson "Are there demonstrable effects of distant intercessory prayer? A meta-analytic review." Annals of Behavioral Medicine 2006 Aug;32(1):21-6

David R. Hodge, "A Systematic Review of the Empirical Literature on Intercessory Prayer" in Research on Social Work Practice March 2007 vol. 17 no. 2 174-187

find that the efficacy of intercessory prayer falls to nothing as the quality of the study increases.

Owned.

Indeed. Internet bitchfight analysts will be citing RobRoyal vs Deadlock (2012) for years, as a definitive benchmark of an online pwning.