The footballer gets arrested thread

[fartdad]

Rape Rovers trending on Twitter

[BROB0T]

What's the difference between civil and criminal law

Especially with something like rape where it may be difficult to draw the line on what was and wasn't consensual

[Uke]

What's the difference between civil and criminal law

Especially with something like rape where it may be difficult to draw the line on what was and wasn't consensual

Burden of proof and the need for a unanimous or majority verdict?


Seems a nice guy though

In June 2008, Goodwillie was convicted of assaulting a man in a Stirling nightclub, and was fined £250.

In September 2009 Goodwillie was arrested after a nightclub doorman was knocked unconscious. Two months later, Goodwillie was convicted of assault and received a £200 fine.

In 2012, Goodwillie was convicted of assault for repeatedly punching and kicking John Friel after Friel attacked Goodwillie's teammate Danny Swanson from behind at a takeaway in Glasgow in 2010. He was sentenced to a 12-month probation order and to carry out 80 hours of unpaid work. Friel was ordered to carry out 240 hours of unpaid work for his part in the incident.

Rape
Goodwillie and his teammate David Robertson were accused of raping a woman, Denise Clair, in January 2011. Goodwillie was charged with rape, but the Crown Office did not pursue a criminal prosecution due to insufficient evidence in law. The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority determined that Clair had been raped and awarded her £11,000.

Clair took civil action in 2016 against Goodwillie and Robertson, in the first case of its kind in Scotland. The judge ruled that they each raped her, and ordered them to pay £100,000 in compensation. The civil case was judged on the balance of probabilities and did not need corroboration of evidence, unlike in a Scottish criminal case. Goodwillie left his club, Plymouth Argyle, soon after the case concluded. A club statement said that Goodwillie had asked to leave as he was considering an appeal. In November 2017, three appeal judges at the Court of Session upheld the ruling.

[BROB0T]

What's the difference between civil and criminal law

Especially with something like rape where it may be difficult to draw the line on what was and wasn't consensual

Burden of proof and the need for a unanimous or majority verdict?


Seems a nice guy though

In June 2008, Goodwillie was convicted of assaulting a man in a Stirling nightclub, and was fined £250.

In September 2009 Goodwillie was arrested after a nightclub doorman was knocked unconscious. Two months later, Goodwillie was convicted of assault and received a £200 fine.

In 2012, Goodwillie was convicted of assault for repeatedly punching and kicking John Friel after Friel attacked Goodwillie's teammate Danny Swanson from behind at a takeaway in Glasgow in 2010. He was sentenced to a 12-month probation order and to carry out 80 hours of unpaid work. Friel was ordered to carry out 240 hours of unpaid work for his part in the incident.

Rape
Goodwillie and his teammate David Robertson were accused of raping a woman, Denise Clair, in January 2011. Goodwillie was charged with rape, but the Crown Office did not pursue a criminal prosecution due to insufficient evidence in law. The Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority determined that Clair had been raped and awarded her £11,000.

Clair took civil action in 2016 against Goodwillie and Robertson, in the first case of its kind in Scotland. The judge ruled that they each raped her, and ordered them to pay £100,000 in compensation. The civil case was judged on the balance of probabilities and did not need corroboration of evidence, unlike in a Scottish criminal case. Goodwillie left his club, Plymouth Argyle, soon after the case concluded. A club statement said that Goodwillie had asked to leave as he was considering an appeal. In November 2017, three appeal judges at the Court of Session upheld the ruling.

Yeah, I saw that on Wiki and thought he's defo a bitofacunt!

OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder in criminal court but guilty of wrongful death in a civil case...I just don't get how that is possible

How do you actually prove a rape happened? In terms of it being different from consensual sex

[Dirk Gently]

What's the difference between civil and criminal law

Especially with something like rape where it may be difficult to draw the line on what was and wasn't consensual

Burden of proof and the need for a unanimous or majority verdict?.

Also the fact that in a criminal case in Scotland nothing is valid as evidence unless it's corroborated by a second person or supported by some other piece of evidence - so in a case where it's one person's word agaisnt one other person's, a conviction is almost impossible.

In a rape case, corroboration might be bruising or signs of a struggle, but in a case where there's no corroboration there's no hope of a conviction.

[BROB0T]

What's the difference between civil and criminal law

Especially with something like rape where it may be difficult to draw the line on what was and wasn't consensual

Burden of proof and the need for a unanimous or majority verdict?.

Also the fact that in a criminal case in Scotland nothing is valid as evidence unless it's corroborated by a second person or supported by some other piece of evidence - so in a case where it's one person's word against one other person's, a conviction is almost impossible.

In a rape case, corroboration might be bruising or signs of a struggle, but in a case where there's no corroboration there's no hope of a conviction.

Very difficult to prove what actually happened especially as the 'truth' in this case could be subjective...

...with both parties genuinely believing that their version of events is the correct one.

If the woman doesn't struggle out of fear then she has zero proof

[Pepe the Horseman]

Burden of proof and the need for a unanimous or majority verdict?.

Also the fact that in a criminal case in Scotland nothing is valid as evidence unless it's corroborated by a second person or supported by some other piece of evidence - so in a case where it's one person's word against one other person's, a conviction is almost impossible.

In a rape case, corroboration might be bruising or signs of a struggle, but in a case where there's no corroboration there's no hope of a conviction.

Very difficult to prove what actually happened especially as the 'truth' in this case could be subjective...

...with both parties genuinely believing that their version of events is the correct one.

If the woman doesn't struggle out of fear then she has zero proof

Notes from the civil case if you're interested https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-ju ... 0000d74aa7

[Pepe the Horseman]

Did we know about this one btw? https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/194 ... pe-charge/

Former Reading player Callum Harriott accused of raping a woman while she slept.

[BROB0T]

Also the fact that in a criminal case in Scotland nothing is valid as evidence unless it's corroborated by a second person or supported by some other piece of evidence - so in a case where it's one person's word against one other person's, a conviction is almost impossible.

In a rape case, corroboration might be bruising or signs of a struggle, but in a case where there's no corroboration there's no hope of a conviction.

Very difficult to prove what actually happened especially as the 'truth' in this case could be subjective...

...with both parties genuinely believing that their version of events is the correct one.

If the woman doesn't struggle out of fear then she has zero proof

Notes from the civil case if you're interested https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-ju ... 0000d74aa7

Cheers...will have a look

Was talking in general terms. I do this too often without stating it tbf

[Winston Biscuit]

Benjamin Mendy charged with an additional count of rape. That's 8 in total.

Goes on trial in July

[Ascotexgunner]

Benjamin Mendy charged with an additional count of rape. That's 8 in total.

Goes on trial in July

Just reading the charges against Greenwood. Looks like he isn't playing for a big club again. Wonder if that's why they seemed reluctant to let Lindgard go.

[windermereROYAL]

Benjamin Mendy charged with an additional count of rape. That's 8 in total.

Goes on trial in July

Just reading the charges against Greenwood. Looks like he isn't playing for a big club again. Wonder if that's why they seemed reluctant to let Lindgard go.

He hasn`t been charged with anything yet. but you are right if guilty he`s done has a top club footballer.

[paultheroyal]

Benjamin Mendy charged with an additional count of rape. That's 8 in total.

Goes on trial in July

Just reading the charges against Greenwood. Looks like he isn't playing for a big club again. Wonder if that's why they seemed reluctant to let Lindgard go.

Exactly why he didnt go.

[Silver Fox]

Benjamin Mendy charged with an additional count of rape. That's 8 in total.

Goes on trial in July

Starting to think news on him might be better placed in a rapist plays football thread nowadays

[Winston Biscuit]

Man Utd say they will take back shirts with Greenwood on the back and swap them at no cost for another shirt

[Pepe the Horseman]

Raith have confirmed they won't be playing Goodwillie and are trying to rip up his contract. Not sure they'll have any legal grounds for that, so expect he'll get a big payoff.

[Hendo]

Raith have confirmed they won't be playing Goodwillie and are trying to rip up his contract. Not sure they'll have any legal grounds for that, so expect he'll get a big payoff.

As wrong as it was they signed him, this feels somehow worse, no way should he be getting a pay-out.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Raith have confirmed they won't be playing Goodwillie and are trying to rip up his contract. Not sure they'll have any legal grounds for that, so expect he'll get a big payoff.

As wrong as it was they signed him, this feels somehow worse, no way should he be getting a pay-out.

Yeh, suppose the only other option is to keep paying him, but not play him. Which he also benefits from. They knew what they were getting, so just can't see that they've got any grounds to terminate his contract.

[NathStPaul]

Raith have confirmed they won't be playing Goodwillie and are trying to rip up his contract. Not sure they'll have any legal grounds for that, so expect he'll get a big payoff.

As wrong as it was he signed for him, this feels somehow worse, no way should he be getting a pay-out.

Would disagree with that, it isn't his fault that Raith signed him and agreed to pay him. As unsavoury as it would be for him to pick up a wedge of money, he would legally be within his rights to. Thinking purely from a legal POV, not a personal one.

[Hendo]

Raith have confirmed they won't be playing Goodwillie and are trying to rip up his contract. Not sure they'll have any legal grounds for that, so expect he'll get a big payoff.

As wrong as it was they signed him, this feels somehow worse, no way should he be getting a pay-out.

Yeh, suppose the only other option is to keep paying him, but not play him. Which he also benefits from. They knew what they were getting, so just can't see that they've got any grounds to terminate his contract.

Exactly, pretty messy situation.

I guess the only way anyone gets out of this saving any face is if he does get a pay-off for terminating his contract and then it is donated to a charity, but I can't see that happening either.