ince sacked

[Royal Rother]

See also: Roy Keane, Steve Coppell.

Yes and no.

Really?

OK ...

Admittedly, markedly different management styles but its the same end result.

During his career Coppell has spent 6 unrelegated seasons in the top league, each time with very little money to spend. Make of that what you will.

[papereyes]

During his career Coppell has spent 6 unrelegated seasons in the top league, each time with very little money to spend. Make of that what you will.

It's very good, I know his career history as well.
But he has had issues with the modern top flight game (and has admitted as much as well, iirc, both recently and in the past).

There's no harm in accepting that he'd rather deal with teams away from the pressure and the unrelenting spotlight of the Premiership, is there?

[Royal Lady]

Even at my advanced age, I can readily see that 53 years old is not what you would describe as "young".

[papereyes]

Even at my advanced age, I can readily see that 53 years old is not what you would describe as "young".

For a football manager it is, given that most wouldn't start until they're 40ish.

There was a good comment about Ince in one paper, where they pointed out that managers like O'Neill (a sprightly 56) had spent the best part of a decade before first managing in the top flight. Ince may have 'slummed it' for a bit, but it was in no way comparable to that.

I think, in general, continuity is perhaps better BUT can a team like Blackburn, with one of the lowest gates in the Premiership, afford to go down? Maybe if they did, they'd restructure a bit and reconnect with the local community. Maybe, in the long term, it would be for the best. But people, in football, don't look that far.

[Royal Rother]

During his career Coppell has spent 6 unrelegated seasons in the top league, each time with very little money to spend. Make of that what you will.

It's very good, I know his career history as well.
But he has had issues with the modern top flight game (and has admitted as much as well, iirc, both recently and in the past).

There's no harm in accepting that he'd rather deal with teams away from the pressure and the unrelenting spotlight of the Premiership, is there?

What you say above is fine but earlier you grouped Coppell with Ince and Keane opining that, despite different styles, "it's the same end result". (Maybe I'm reading too much into "end result", which I took to mean ultimate failure.)

He does seem to prefer to keep away from the unrelenting spotlight but his record suggests he is a little better at dealing with life in the top league than the others mentioned.

[Row Z Royal]

Ince to Charlton in the New Year.

YHIHF

[Huntley & Palmer]

Allardyce wants the Sunderland job. All the backroom staff at Blackburn are Ince's people too, which means they will still struggle with any one of them in charge. A lot of very unhappy players and directors at Blackburn by all accounts due to how Ince managed them. He let them all go off on a Xmas bash to Ireland after the Wigan defeat

[Row Z Royal]

Allardyce wants the Sunderland job. All the backroom staff at Blackburn are Ince's people too, which means they will still struggle with any one of them in charge. A lot of very unhappy players at Blackburn by all accounts

You'd be unhappy if you lived in Blackburn.

[readingbedding]

I could have predicted this. He moved up too quickly. He may have done ever so well in the basement division, but the Premiership is a lot more harder and I thought he needed some experience in either the Championship or League One.

Rubbish.

[papereyes]

I could have predicted this. He moved up too quickly. He may have done ever so well in the basement division, but the Premiership is a lot more harder and I thought he needed some experience in either the Championship or League One.

Rubbish.

Why?

Surely getting further experience at a lower level would have only improved his abilities as a manager.

[readingbedding]

I could have predicted this. He moved up too quickly. He may have done ever so well in the basement division, but the Premiership is a lot more harder and I thought he needed some experience in either the Championship or League One.

Rubbish.

Why?

Surely getting further experience at a lower level would have only improved his abilities as a manager.

Gareth Southgate proves that little theory wrong.

[papereyes]

Rubbish.

Why?

Surely getting further experience at a lower level would have only improved his abilities as a manager.

Gareth Southgate proves that little theory wrong.

I think that's a very good counter example, but I don't think it proves what Spacey has said or what I have said to be wrong.

[papereyes]

He does seem to prefer to keep away from the unrelenting spotlight but his record suggests he is a little better at dealing with life in the top league than the others mentioned.

Overall, yes, certainly, but I'd strongly suggest that the top division of 1989 to 1993 was a different beast to the current one. Especially with respect to "overpaid, pampered Premiership footballers".

[Alan Partridge]

When you come to a club and make the MK Dons captain your "best" signing it says it all really!

Replacing the most consistant and arguably best keeper in the league with a more expensive utterly useless one doesn't help either.

[readingbedding]

Not all managers need to cut their teeth in the lower leagues to eventually manage in the Prem.
Southgate and lots of others have shown that it's not a pre-requisite.

That was my point.
It is not cut and dried, it doesn't have to be done that way and there are exceptions to that 'rule'.

If you're good enough...

[Royalee]

I think he has a management style that works with lower league players, but the overpaid, pampered Premiership footballers will not want to put up wth it.

See also: Roy Keane, Steve Coppell.

Yes and no.

I agree, Roy Keane should be given another chance as he may be able to manage top players. Coppell's proven on three different occasions that he cannot.

[Royal Rother]

He does seem to prefer to keep away from the unrelenting spotlight but his record suggests he is a little better at dealing with life in the top league than the others mentioned.

Overall, yes, certainly, but I'd strongly suggest that the top division of 1989 to 1993 was a different beast to the current one. Especially with respect to "overpaid, pampered Premiership footballers".

That's a fair comment.

[readingbedding]

Paul Jewell can handle the big players.

Look at the phucking state of Derby!!!

[Big Foot]

The only good thing to come out of Ince's sacking is to make that Darkness look a like fool Pete Winkleman look like even more of a know nothing idiot.

He was on SSN last night saying how much of a great manager Paul Ince is and came out with a classic along the lines of "he's a great manager who gets his team playing for him and fighting for him" - where's Winkleman been this season? Blackburn have looked nothing short of heartless from what I've seen of them.

If I was a Blackburn fan, I'd be calling for those who appointed Ince in the first place to be questioned. What made him the right choice 6 months ago that has changed THAT much? The people making the appointment are likely to make similar mistakes, non?

[Wycombe Royal]

There's no harm in accepting that he'd rather deal with teams away from the pressure and the unrelenting spotlight of the Premiership, is there?

That is totally seperate issue from the point I was making. I am talking about top stars not repsonding to a dictatorship style of management.