Sack McLOLaren?

Oi Oi Saveloy · by **Oi Oi Saveloy** » 17 Oct 2007 20:04

cmonurz
Funny how the 5 consecutive 3-0 wins mean f*ck all again now.

Almost as funny as how the displays against Macedonia (H), Croatia , & Isreal (A) meant oxf*rd all after the 5 consecutive wins.

Southbank Old Boy · by **Southbank Old Boy** » 17 Oct 2007 20:07

Alan Partridge Didn't say now but one day.

Judge him on u21s not his City job where it would be totally different to managing an International team.

Peter Taylor is free these days!

Oi Oi Saveloy · by **Oi Oi Saveloy** » 17 Oct 2007 20:09

Southbank Old Boy
Alan Partridge Didn't say now but one day.

Judge him on u21s not his City job where it would be totally different to managing an International team.

Peter Taylor is free these days!

SHHHHHHHH

Just incase Barwick reads Hobnob.

Alan Partridge · by **Alan Partridge** » 17 Oct 2007 20:10

Southbank Old Boy
Alan Partridge Didn't say now but one day.

Judge him on u21s not his City job where it would be totally different to managing an International team.

Peter Taylor is free these days!

not always the big names and best club managers that make best international managers.

readingbedding · by **readingbedding** » 17 Oct 2007 20:12

Southbank Old Boy
Alan Partridge Didn't say now but one day.

Judge him on u21s not his City job where it would be totally different to managing an International team.

Peter Taylor is free these days!

He's already managed England, gave Beckham the Captain's armband.

Southbank Old Boy · by **Southbank Old Boy** » 17 Oct 2007 20:15

Alan Partridge
Southbank Old Boy
Alan Partridge Didn't say now but one day.

Judge him on u21s not his City job where it would be totally different to managing an International team.

Peter Taylor is free these days!

not always the big names and best club managers that make best international managers.

Although it was tongue in cheek I would rather have Taylor than a lot of managers.

His record as a club manager is pretty poor but his U21's were very good. Not sure how much was down to the crop of players, but obviously you have to know how to get the best out of them.

Dirk Gently · by **Dirk Gently** » 17 Oct 2007 20:16

I think Taylor was lucky with his timing - nothing more, nothing less!

Royalee · by **Royalee** » 17 Oct 2007 21:20

13 people are retards.

Alan Partridge · by **Alan Partridge** » 18 Oct 2007 00:06

While he wouldn't have been my choice for manager, i have some sympathy with McLaren. Unless he wins every game (and to be hoenst even that probably wouldn't be enough) he was always going to be up against it because he wasn't the popular choice.

Football especially international football is such fine lines, if Gerrard makes it 2-0 the game is over and it's a superb result for England and they qualify. Instead a terrible decision and a goalkeeper mistake later and in 5 minutes they've gone from qualified to McLaren out. He couldn't do much about those 3 major incidents in the game that all went Russia's way.

In club management you have 38 games and things genuinely 'even themselves out'. There is always next week to get a result and instantly turn things round, but now this result will stick with England and their manager. The poison chalice of the England managers job.

IF and for one second i don't think England would they decided to ack him now it would be a terrible decision based on a typical English public over reaction. If England don't qualify then there is a genuine case to say right he's tried but not done it, but they aren't out yet and i seriously doubt Russia's capabilities to go to Israel and win. I still think by the skin of their teeth England will get through.

Ozymandias · by **Ozymandias** » 18 Oct 2007 01:48

McClaren should go, I didn't agree with his appointment, in fact I was amazed by it. However, and it's been said many times, it's a job you cannot succeed at.

The hideous press in this country will build up players to hero status, wind the country into a frenzy over a tournament, and dissect the performances ten-fold looking for a scapegoat.

England have been, overall, poor in the last 5-6 games. The odd good performance (3-0, at home) doesn't make the team good, it means they've performed at a 6/10 against some medium sides.

What I want, as a passionate England fan, is exactly that, passion. Greece won the fecking euro champs, with a team of nobody-knows-us players. Why can't England do the same ?

The press have a huge amount to blame for, though they'll jump on any bandwagon to sell a paper and fecking muppets buy their drivel, why can't people see the truth without..oh feck it (almost went into a rant there !)

I wonder, if we appointed a manager, for example, (and only an example - cos he's a fecker) Neil Warnock, and only allowed him players from the Championship for the next game. Does anyone on here believe that the team would be better to watch and show more passion ?

The answer ? I've no idea, it isn't JosÃ© (though that would be a laugh !) it isn't big Phil, an earlier poster already said it, it's coming to terms with we're not as good as we think we are because of all the issues surrounding English football.

end of rant.

By the way, has anyone got the link that Bradford guy put on here a while back titled "Welcome to the premiership" or similar

Schards#2 · by **Schards#2** » 18 Oct 2007 09:11

Where are all the Sven bashers now? Schards#2 spot on as usualllllll.

Sven won all but 4 qualifiers in 3 tournaments. McLaren has failed to win 4 games in this piss easy group alone.

Anyone who can't get England qualified out of this group deserves the sack. It's a monumentally piss poor effort.

Stranded · by **Stranded** » 18 Oct 2007 09:20

If we don't qualify then he has not done his job so should be fired. If we do qualify then he gets til after the Euros at the least.

Barry the bird boggler · by **Barry the bird boggler** » 18 Oct 2007 09:40

Yes for me, just an FA yes man with no real vision about how to build a team or to stand up to the prima donnas who just get a place because they are who they are

To move forward we need to break the mould and have someone whose very much their own man, the trouble is though that the FA wouldn't select Brian Clough for that reason and I haven't seen anything to suggest there stance has changed

Hoop Blah · by **Hoop Blah** » 18 Oct 2007 09:58

Alan Partridge While he wouldn't have been my choice for manager, i have some sympathy with McLaren. Unless he wins every game (and to be hoenst even that probably wouldn't be enough) he was always going to be up against it because he wasn't the popular choice.

Football especially international football is such fine lines, if Gerrard makes it 2-0 the game is over and it's a superb result for England and they qualify. Instead a terrible decision and a goalkeeper mistake later and in 5 minutes they've gone from qualified to McLaren out. He couldn't do much about those 3 major incidents in the game that all went Russia's way.

I agree that McLaren was always up against it as England manager, partly because nobody actually thought he was near good enough to do the job!

He also can't directly do anything about the 3 or 4 mistakes that cost us the game last night. He can however, make decisions that impact the squad and the team over the length of his tenure though, and he can influence the approach to games and passages of play during games.

In my book he's not managed the team, the team has almost managed itself during his term and thats the problem. We've lacked a manager to direct the players and mould a team.

Schards#2 Where are all the Sven bashers now? Schards#2 spot on as usualllllll.

Sven won all but 4 qualifiers in 3 tournaments. McLaren has failed to win 4 games in this piss easy group alone.

Anyone who can't get England qualified out of this group deserves the sack. It's a monumentally piss poor effort.

I was a reasonably vocal Sven basher but I never questioned his ability to get us through qualifying groups. I do think that a lot of the things that I think McLaren has done wrong is just continuing Svens work though. After his first 2 or 3 years Sven had created a closed-shop in the England squad and seemed to just be drifting along with the whole set up.

His team was stale and he wouldn't pick his best team only his best, or most famous, individuals. He allowed friendlies to become a joke, over looked players who were really pushing for a place in the side let alone the squad.

Qualifying out of the groups we were/are in should be not be a measure of success for a side with the resources available to an England manager.

Wax Jacket · by **Wax Jacket** » 18 Oct 2007 10:08

I'd like to know why it's OK to vilify the manager (drunk old pro might say "it's part of the job") and not boo the players (drunk old pro might say "they're out their giving their all for the shirt").

Smoking Kills Dancing Doe · by **Smoking Kills Dancing Doe** » 18 Oct 2007 12:03

We need a manager who commands the respect of the country. Sven had it for a while. McClaren never has. The fact he wasn't the fans choice was made even worse when the FA made it clear he wasn't their choice either. Lets face it if O'Neill hadn't fcuked his interview up and Big Sam's kid had kept his mouth shout he was the FA's 3rd choice Brit.

The FA have to take the blame for this and Barwick position is untenable. McClaren is the worst appointment ever as England manager. More down to the way it was handled than anything else.

Jose has gotta want this job. What better way to make Chelsea look stupid than do what no one else has done since 96 and make England a real force. We do have the players, maybe not the hunger, but that's what the manager needs to bring.

Wax Jacket · by **Wax Jacket** » 18 Oct 2007 12:14

Smoking Kills Dancing Doe Jose has gotta want this job.

yeah Ok

as soon as he gets one dodgy result we'll be calling him 'shagger' and a peddler of style over substance and idiotic soundbites

no-one in their right minds would this job, suffering the brickbats and further brickbats of a bunch of ignorant ingrates

Scylla · by **Scylla** » 18 Oct 2007 12:19

England haven't been a genuine force since about 1970. That was the last time we a core of players - Banks, Moore and Charlton - who consistently looked like international players of the highest quality.

Vision · by **Vision** » 18 Oct 2007 12:20

Big Sam getting the job would be interesting , if only to see if he still refuses to be interviewed by the BBC.

79Royal · by **79Royal** » 18 Oct 2007 12:44

Wax Jacket
Smoking Kills Dancing Doe Jose has gotta want this job.

yeah Ok

as soon as he gets one dodgy result we'll be calling him 'shagger' and a peddler of style over substance and idiotic soundbites

no-one in their right minds would this job, suffering the brickbats and further brickbats of a bunch of ignorant ingrates

I'd say that's exaclty why Jose would want the job. His ego is big enough to take the blame on the chin and deflect negative attention away from the players. He'd have made the call on the Lmapard v Gerrard debate a long time ago and England would be playing good football or at the very worst grinding out results. And he LOVES proving 'ignorant ingrates' wrong.

I don't particularly like the guy, but at the moment, Mourinho is the man for the job, IMO.

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