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Re: CheLOLsea

by multisync1830 » 29 Apr 2014 06:51

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... er-tactics

jamie-carragher:

"I remember going to Barcelona in 2001 in the UEFA Cup and we got a 0-0. We did exactly the same as what Chelsea did yesterday, we went there for our clean sheet. Johan Cruyff said after the game we were a disgrace to football.
"Let's not forget that in the seventies and eighties when Liverpool went away they'd go there and do a job to try and get a 0-0. At times they'd play it back to Ray Clemence and slow the game down.

Some of the key numbers from Chelsea's smash-and-grab 2-0 win at Premier League leaders Liverpool on Sunday.
"I remember with Rafa Bentiez playing against Chelsea, we played them at their own game. We slowed the game down, played direct football, never got caught on the counter-attack and never risked playing a ball into Stevie (Gerrard) or Xabi Alonso, as they had Duff, Robben and Drogba for the counter-attack.
"There was frustration after the game. We heard Liverpool fans afterwards on radio phone-ins and whatever, but you've got to not be complaining so much about Chelsea and think you may come up against this again - how are we going to go about it and try to get the result?
"You can't complain and say 'we don't play like that'. We've done it before and been successful at it.
"You can't complain. Lots of teams have done it, we've done it, so get on with it and try to find a way to fix it."

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Re: CheLOLsea

by stealthpapes » 29 Apr 2014 09:31

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MmmMonsterMunch You have to hand it to Jose. Tactically perfect so far.


There you go, the first tosser to give the manager credit rather than the players.


From another post ...

I probably wouldn’t have noticed it myself but the analysis on MOTD highlighted the perfect rigidity of Chelsea’s back 9 – they were so well drilled they couldn’t have played more as a unit if the imaginary lines connecting them on the screen were real ropes tying them together. The thought going into the strategy, the coaching that must have been required and the discipline of the players to execute it so perfectly has to be hailed even if it was the definition of ‘anti-football’.


I know the sport has moved on, and you haven't, and that we even have people you don't like such as Jason Roberts playing your pure game now, but come on, some credit where its due.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by YateleyRoyal » 29 Apr 2014 12:11

Cech and Terry both train ahead of CL semi-final.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by BR2 » 29 Apr 2014 13:24

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Chelsea of yesterday = Wimbledon of yesteryear .


In that they both beat Liverpool in the big matches?


A good effort but not quite true (Liverpool won at Chelsea in Torres' first game for them at Stamford Bridge and of course famously knocked Chelsea out of the European Champs League in Mourinho's first spell) so nearly a point score by you because of the famous Wembley win by Sanchez &Co.

For those that do not remember Wimmbledon days in the Premier League they were renowned for:-
Time-wasting
Playing for free-kicks and throw-ins
Playing one isolated striker (Fash)
Playing long-ball
Wearing blue
A little club from South-west London
Nobody apart from their own fans liked them
Thus the likening of Chelsea on Sunday with Wimbledon of years gone by.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by No Fixed Abode » 29 Apr 2014 14:51

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In that they both beat Liverpool in the big matches?


A good effort but not quite true (Liverpool won at Chelsea in Torres' first game for them at Stamford Bridge and of course famously knocked Chelsea out of the European Champs League in Mourinho's first spell) so nearly a point score by you because of the famous Wembley win by Sanchez &Co.

For those that do not remember Wimmbledon days in the Premier League they were renowned for:-
Time-wasting
Playing for free-kicks and throw-ins
Playing one isolated striker (Fash)
Playing long-ball
Wearing blue
A little club from South-west London
Nobody apart from their own fans liked them
Thus the likening of Chelsea on Sunday with Wimbledon of years gone by.




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Re: CheLOLsea

by YateleyRoyal » 29 Apr 2014 14:54

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Chelsea of yesterday = Wimbledon of yesteryear .


In that they both beat Liverpool in the big matches?


A good effort but not quite true (Liverpool won at Chelsea in Torres' first game for them at Stamford Bridge and of course famously knocked Chelsea out of the European Champs League in Mourinho's first spell) so nearly a point score by you because of the famous Wembley win by Sanchez &Co.

For those that do not remember Wimmbledon days in the Premier League they were renowned for:-
Time-wasting
Playing for free-kicks and throw-ins
Playing one isolated striker (Fash)
Playing long-ball
Wearing blue
A little club from South-west London
Nobody apart from their own fans liked them
Thus the likening of Chelsea on Sunday with Wimbledon of years gone by.



The first four are valid.
The rest are just bitter.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by No Fixed Abode » 29 Apr 2014 15:03

The first four -

Time wasting - what team doesn't when it suits?
Playing for free kicks and throw ins - You can't help the opposition fouling or kicking the ball into touch
Isolated striker - lots of teams do this
Playing long ball - We can play more expansively or more direct, better to have plans A, B, C etc....

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Re: CheLOLsea

by TBM » 29 Apr 2014 15:04

I used to like Wimbledon :?

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Sanguine » 29 Apr 2014 15:07

I think the only real valid criticism is the time-wasting, which was evident from almost the first minute. But tbh the ref has to carry the can for that - book Schwarzer or whoever in the third minute and it would have disappeared pretty quickly.


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by multisync1830 » 29 Apr 2014 15:14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdmxV-7QvJ8

Great analysis of why Chelsea got it so right and Liverpool got it so so wrong. I would guess Rogers knew Chelsea would play the way they did but his ego told him Liverpool were better and he would take great satisfaction smashing 3 or 4 goals against them. Sadly he cocked up big time. A draw would have been enough but at half time he didn't know what to do or how to turn it round. Mouriniho knew how to play the match from start to finish and basically shoved the game right up his arse

That is why he was so bitter with all the two busses BS, he was outclassed and blinded by his ego so has potentially thrown away their best chance of winning the prem...

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by Extended-Phenotype » 29 Apr 2014 15:18

What ARE the rules on time wasting? I mean, surely within a time frame, its up to you how long you take over a set-piece you have won. If the ref deems you acted within the allowed time frame, wouldn't it be rather foolish of a weaker side to rush the ball back into play if the result is currently favourable?

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by Sanguine » 29 Apr 2014 15:19

multisync1830 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdmxV-7QvJ8

Great analysis of why Chelsea got it so right and Liverpool got it so so wrong. I would guess Rogers knew Chelsea would play the way they did but his ego told him Liverpool were better and he would take great satisfaction smashing 3 or 4 goals against them. Sadly he cocked up big time. A draw would have been enough but at half time he didn't know what to do or how to turn it round. Mouriniho knew how to play the match from start to finish and basically shoved the game right up his arse

That is why he was so bitter with all the two busses BS, he was outclassed and blinded by his ego so has potentially thrown away their best chance of winning the prem...


Yep, that was it. A manager who has received widespread praise all season for his tactical acumen and ability to tweak his team's system as required, with a pretty threadbare squad, just decided to ride his ego through the Chelsea match to try to impress his old boss.

:roll:

Is it an English thing to always have to find fault in someone/something? Mourinho got it spot on, and should get credit for that. If you apply the same logic then Rodgers has 'shoved the game up the arse' of pretty much every other manager in the league this season.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by TBM » 29 Apr 2014 15:24

Sanguine I think the only real valid criticism is the time-wasting, which was evident from almost the first minute. But tbh the ref has to carry the can for that - book Schwarzer or whoever in the third minute and it would have disappeared pretty quickly.


But there were times when the ball went off for a throw and nobody went to take it........who do you book then?!


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Re: CheLOLsea

by No Fixed Abode » 29 Apr 2014 15:25

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Sanguine I think the only real valid criticism is the time-wasting, which was evident from almost the first minute. But tbh the ref has to carry the can for that - book Schwarzer or whoever in the third minute and it would have disappeared pretty quickly.


But there were times when the ball went off for a throw and nobody went to take it........who do you book then?!


It was ok, because Martin Atkinson added the time on at the end of each half. The time we scored both our goals. :lol:

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Sanguine » 29 Apr 2014 15:36

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Sanguine I think the only real valid criticism is the time-wasting, which was evident from almost the first minute. But tbh the ref has to carry the can for that - book Schwarzer or whoever in the third minute and it would have disappeared pretty quickly.


But there were times when the ball went off for a throw and nobody went to take it........who do you book then?!


No-one, obviously. Not a massive deal, everyone does it, but it was particularly evident by Chelsea from kick-off at the weekend. If the ref had booked a player early on, it wouldn't have been an issue.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Royalclapper » 29 Apr 2014 15:36

And surely the ref makes it clear that if time is being deliberately wasted it goes on to the added minutes. Jose was obviously trying to avoid shipping a couple of goals early doors which has been costly for fancied away sides at Anfield.

Both managers were simply playing to their teams strengths, Rodgers has to use the quick attacking style as his best weapon because they're much weaker in defence which has cost them points. Mourinho is like one of those blokes you play pool against who insists on keep putting the white ball tight against the cushion every time you get a chance even though he's a good player.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by stealthpapes » 29 Apr 2014 15:37

Extended-Phenotype What ARE the rules on time wasting? I mean, surely within a time frame, its up to you how long you take over a set-piece you have won. If the ref deems you acted within the allowed time frame, wouldn't it be rather foolish of a weaker side to rush the ball back into play if the result is currently favourable?


In theory, clock shouldn't run if its a serious stoppage.

In theory, the ref can just add any time wasted back on.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by stealthpapes » 29 Apr 2014 15:38

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Sanguine I think the only real valid criticism is the time-wasting, which was evident from almost the first minute. But tbh the ref has to carry the can for that - book Schwarzer or whoever in the third minute and it would have disappeared pretty quickly.


But there were times when the ball went off for a throw and nobody went to take it........who do you book then?!


You can report it in your match report and the club get (threatened with) a fine. I think it happened with well-prepped ball boys in some championship match, failing to throw the ball accurately to the away team.

Honestly?

I'd have lolled.

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Bandini » 29 Apr 2014 16:11

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Chelsea of yesterday = Wimbledon of yesteryear .


In that they both beat Liverpool in the big matches?


A good effort but not quite true (Liverpool won at Chelsea in Torres' first game for them at Stamford Bridge


Was that a big game? I thought that Chelsea were fighting for the top places that season whereas Liverpool were out of the contention for European places?

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Re: CheLOLsea

by Victor Meldrew » 29 Apr 2014 17:13

It's always a big game for Chelsea fans when they get to play a big club like Liverpool.

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