Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by stealthpapes » 24 Oct 2013 15:03

Extended-Phenotype Ref should stop the game?

Team losing badly, fans just get all racist. Game stopped, draw.


Not should, can.

It's part of Law 5 and backed up by a UEFA Executive Comittee resolution from 2009.

I can dig it out now, or I can dig it out of the 'coaching course stuff that I'm never going to use again' box in my bedroom's wall of boxes.

(Actually, I found it - http://www.uefa.org/socialresponsibilit ... 43681.html, and http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footballd ... 90832.html )

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by stealthpapes » 24 Oct 2013 15:04

I can also dig out the correct paperwork to arrange a FA approved fund raising barbeque/summer fair for an amateur club. That was a particularly enthralling 30 minute group session.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by Extended-Phenotype » 24 Oct 2013 15:07

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Extended-Phenotype Ref should stop the game?

Team losing badly, fans just get all racist. Game stopped, draw.


Not should, can.

It's part of Law 5 and backed up by a UEFA Executive Comittee resolution from 2009.

I can dig it out now, or I can dig it out of the 'coaching course stuff that I'm never going to use again' box in my bedroom's wall of boxes.

(Actually, I found it - http://www.uefa.org/socialresponsibilit ... 43681.html, and http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footballd ... 90832.html )


I appreciate they can. Just saying they probably shouldn't.

If a ref stops a game, does it always end in a draw? Pretend I'm not interested in reading through shit loads of links and documents.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by stealthpapes » 24 Oct 2013 15:16

If a ref stops a game, does it always end in a draw?


I think that might be one for PaultheRef. I would reckon that its down to the specific rules of the competition and the reasons for the cancellation.

But, trying to think of an example, when has a referee stopped a game and it been given as a draw? The only example that's coming to mind is Italy vs Serbia in 2010, when it was cancelled after 7 minutes, and Italy were awarded the standard 3-0 win.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by Nameless » 24 Oct 2013 15:21

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I appreciate they can. Just saying they probably shouldn't.

If a ref stops a game, does it always end in a draw? Pretend I'm not interested in reading through shit loads of links and documents.


If a ref abandons a game then whoever caused it to be abandoned gets punished. So if the home fans riot, the home team gets punished by fines, ground closure or loss of points. Same if there is rascist abuse .

Can be a problem if away fans cause trouble as the home club is responsible for crowd control - at the England Poland game the Poles threw a flare on the pitch and it would potentially be England held to account.

And a game abandoned would rarely be automatically be a draw. It could be replayed or there will be a default score in the competition rules.


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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by TBM » 24 Oct 2013 15:34

It could throw up the issue of a team needing to win, to win the league, and so rival fans get tickets in the home end and then start some racist chants. Game get abandoned and the other team gets awarded the victory meaning the other team fail to win the league

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by Sanguine » 24 Oct 2013 15:50

Yes, that's an actual thing that could happen. :roll:

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by Extended-Phenotype » 24 Oct 2013 16:07

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If a ref stops a game, does it always end in a draw?


I think that might be one for PaultheRef. I would reckon that its down to the specific rules of the competition and the reasons for the cancellation.

But, trying to think of an example, when has a referee stopped a game and it been given as a draw? The only example that's coming to mind is Italy vs Serbia in 2010, when it was cancelled after 7 minutes, and Italy were awarded the standard 3-0 win.


Oh yeah. I think I was thinking of postponement.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by Nameless » 24 Oct 2013 16:12

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If a ref stops a game, does it always end in a draw?


I think that might be one for PaultheRef. I would reckon that its down to the specific rules of the competition and the reasons for the cancellation.

But, trying to think of an example, when has a referee stopped a game and it been given as a draw? The only example that's coming to mind is Italy vs Serbia in 2010, when it was cancelled after 7 minutes, and Italy were awarded the standard 3-0 win.


Oh yeah. I think I was thinking of postponement.


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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by TBM » 24 Oct 2013 16:41

Sanguine Yes, that's an actual thing that could happen. :roll:


Explain why it couldn't happen, then?!

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by No Fixed Abode » 25 Oct 2013 08:51

Having seen the footage of the CSKA Moscow fans. It's not conclusive it,s racist chanting.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by DelBoyRodders » 25 Oct 2013 10:53

So Yaya Toure is now saying black players could boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia - does he now speak for all black people?
I see Ian Wright has chipped in with his two-penneth in today's Sun as well.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by sandman » 25 Oct 2013 11:00

There's enough white people to speak for black people without the likes of Toure getting involved.


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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by Sanguine » 25 Oct 2013 11:02

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Sanguine Yes, that's an actual thing that could happen. :roll:


Explain why it couldn't happen, then?!


Nevermind the variables that would have to fall into place for a group of fans to actually want to do that, and be in a position to, they'd then have to achieve it. Which would be impossible.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by No Fixed Abode » 25 Oct 2013 11:07

DelBoyRodders So Yaya Toure is now saying black players could boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia - does he now speak for all black people?
I see Ian Wright has chipped in with his two-penneth in today's Sun as well.




1)Don't let the racists win and boycott Russia
2)I know racism isn't right, but if someone paid me £250,000 a week, they could verbally abuse me as much as they wanted. Sticks and stones.
3)Do your talking on the pitch and score a goal to knock them out of the tournament.
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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by DelBoyRodders » 25 Oct 2013 11:18

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DelBoyRodders So Yaya Toure is now saying black players could boycott the 2018 World Cup in Russia - does he now speak for all black people?
I see Ian Wright has chipped in with his two-penneth in today's Sun as well.




1)Don't let the racists win and boycott Russia
2)I know racism isn't right, but if someone paid me £250,000 a week, they could verbally abuse me as much as they wanted. Sticks and stones.
3)Do you talking on the pitch and scored a goal to knock them out of the tournament.


Agreed. I'd rather be verbally racially abused than physically assaulted. Racism is horrible, but there are far worse crimes in the world - not in minds of modern England though.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by Silver Fox » 25 Oct 2013 12:03

Did 't everyone say Euro 2012 was going to be a festival of racism in Poland and Ukraine?

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by soggy biscuit » 25 Oct 2013 12:08

Silver Fox Did 't everyone say Euro 2012 was going to be a festival of racism in Poland and Ukraine?


and South Africa 2010 was a disgrace as all fans were definitely r**ed and murdered.

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by Silver Fox » 25 Oct 2013 12:14

Kes is stll riled from Fwank's disallowed goal tbf

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Re: Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

by No Fixed Abode » 29 Oct 2013 10:40

Frimpong now playing the race card.

Asked why he's not in the squad for tonights game against Chelsea. He said 'LOL I wanna laugh'. 'Sometimes I wish I was white and English #realtalk'.

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