John Terry

[Extended-Phenotype]

The case is that he said something racist.

Its all a pile of crap.

I once used the word "paki" when talking about a local shop to a police officer......didn't require a court case, just got a "don't use that word" type telling off

About time somebody brought some credibility to the anti-case argument.

[No Fixed Abode]

These character witnesses stating that "JT is not a racist"

Irrelevant. Accepted by prosecution already that he isn't a racist . The case is that he said something racist.

Still pathetic to let it go this far and costing all this money, just because some off duty police officer who supports QPR reported it. I hope the off duty police officer is ashamed.

Blatter was right about this. Just shake hands and get on with it.

[watfordroyal]

The case is that he said something racist.

Its all a pile of crap.

I once used the word "paki" when talking about a local shop to a police officer......didn't require a court case, just got a "don't use that word" type telling off

About time somebody brought some credibility to the anti-case argument.

You seem to think this is the crime of the century, a real test case for British society. I think this is a total waste of taxpayers money, spunking hundreds of thousands on what she said to her & what she said to her.

I'd sooner the money went to cancer care, elderly care, dementia care, Syrian minority being shelled daily, East African refugee camps etc.

Spend 24hours in A&E and tell me how f*cking important this is,
spend 24hours in a hospice and tell me how f*cking important this is,
spend 24hours in Syria and tell me how f*cking important this is,
spend 24hours in a refugee camp and tell me how important this shit is.

Should have been left to FA to sort out, end of!

[Uke]

Still pathetic to let it go this far and costing all this money

I think you'll find JT will be paying costs for bringing it this far

[Extended-Phenotype]

You seem to think this is the crime of the century, a real test case for British society. I think this is a total waste of taxpayers money, spunking hundreds of thousands on what she said to her & what she said to her.

I'd sooner the money went to cancer care, elderly care, dementia care, Syrian minority being shelled daily, East African refugee camps etc.

Spend 24hours in A&E and tell me how f*cking important this is,
spend 24hours in a hospice and tell me how f*cking important this is,
spend 24hours in Syria and tell me how f*cking important this is,
spend 24hours in a refugee camp and tell me how important this shit is.

Should have been left to FA to sort out, end of!

Ok.

If an acts importance assuages all liability for the crimes beneath it, you'd be living in a world where the only offence would be listening to a Mika record. When Tim McEviltits rapes someone it's not like he has cart-blanche to nick her wallet too. The floods in Russia are more important than root-canal surgery, but tell that to the poor bastard sat in the chair with a dentist breaching his cakehole like a queasy reveller over a toilet bowl.

It's not just about John Terry calling Anton Ferdinand a 'black c*nt'. It's about whether or not it's acceptable to be racially abusive towards another human being. And in the billions of legal cases hosted each year by this country that see very few hysteric activists outside picketing for better use of tax payers money, I happen to think reinforcing racial equality is pretty good value.

There aren’t many traits in humanity which carry the same historic subtext as racism. You can understand why people get upset about it, and why it is treated today in the courts, rather than left to the f/cking playground where stagnant, penis-compensating psychobollocks like John Terry run around as role models.

But I guess we can safely say you rather disagree a smidge, based on your little song at the end there. Can’t help but imagine it being shouted over the noise of clomping boots on a big march of some sort, but I guess it's rather heartfelt once you peel through the layers of rage and illogic.

[cmonurz]

NFA's hypocrisy, whilst deliberate, is absolutely stunning.

[Ian Royal]

After hearing the trial yesterday I can only come to the conclusion that JT will get off. It's basically his word against Anton's with no major evidence to back it up.

What, apart from all the blatant video evidence? "A" and "you" are very different mouth movements.

I'd just like to point out that it isn't CPS's fault it's gone to Court and cost loads of money. If Terry just admitted the truth it would have been over and done with months ago and cost piss all. Instead he's denied it with a string of ever changing moronic defences. He's rich enough, make him pay costs.

[philM]

After hearing the trial yesterday I can only come to the conclusion that JT will get off. It's basically his word against Anton's with no major evidence to back it up.

What, apart from all the blatant video evidence? "A" and "you" are very different mouth movements.

Also, they have a lot more video evidence than just the broadcast TV footage.

Is JT claiming he said "I didn't call you" without moving his lips?!

[Mr Angry]

And today's star witness for the defence, that well known pillar of society and epitome of honesty - Ashley Cole!



Getting him to act as a character witness is really scrapping the barrel - I'm surprised Terry didn't wheel in his Uncle as well (is he out of prison yet?)

And then there was Cashley's evidence;

"Mr Cole - did you hear the exchange between Mr Terry and Mr Ferdinand?"

"No - but I did fink I saw Ferdinand say summin' that looked to me like it were the word "black".

"The defence rests M'Lud"

[Uke]

And today's star witness for the defence, that well known pillar of society and epitome of honesty - Ashley Cole!



Getting him to act as a character witness is really scrapping the barrel - I'm surprised Terry didn't wheel in his Uncle as well (is he out of prison yet?)

And then there was Cashley's evidence;

"Mr Cole - did you hear the exchange between Mr Terry and Mr Ferdinand?"

"No - but I did fink I saw Ferdinand say summin' that looked to me like it were the word "black".

"The defence rests M'Lud"

If only Ashley'd been able to get his phone out to record the incident...


oh

[watfordroyal]

Ok.

If an acts importance assuages all liability for the crimes beneath it, you'd be living in a world where the only offence would be listening to a Mika record. When Tim McEviltits rapes someone it's not like he has cart-blanche to nick her wallet too. The floods in Russia are more important than root-canal surgery, but tell that to the poor bastard sat in the chair with a dentist breaching his cakehole like a queasy reveller over a toilet bowl.

It's not just about John Terry calling Anton Ferdinand a 'black c*nt'. It's about whether or not it's acceptable to be racially abusive towards another human being. And in the billions of legal cases hosted each year by this country that see very few hysteric activists outside picketing for better use of tax payers money, I happen to think reinforcing racial equality is pretty good value.

There aren’t many traits in humanity which carry the same historic subtext as racism. You can understand why people get upset about it, and why it is treated today in the courts, rather than left to the f/cking playground where stagnant, penis-compensating psychobollocks like John Terry run around as role models.

But I guess we can safely say you rather disagree a smidge, based on your little song at the end there. Can’t help but imagine it being shouted over the noise of clomping boots on a big march of some sort, but I guess it's rather heartfelt once you peel through the layers of rage and illogic.

With the limited resources of this country, you think the CPS were right to bring this case knowing the extravagance of the cost, when they won't bring a case for a number of rapes and assaults because they are not in the public interest and may not reach a conviction.

You'd rather see the Black kids of Southern Africa condemed to death through lack of Aids treatment, as long as you don't call them black expletives.

I'd rather they be called all the black expletives in the world, as long as they survived and prospered.
Which is the racist view?

[TFF]

I wasn't going to respond because I thought you were just on the wind up.

But then I decided you actually believe this shit.

With the limited resources of this country, you think the CPS were right to bring this case knowing the extravagance of the cost,

Yes. It's basically what makes this a civilised society.

when they won't bring a case for a number of rapes and assaults because they are not in the public interest and may not reach a conviction.

What number?

Name a rapist that has escaped prosecution. Had this case not proceeded most people would be able to name an uncensured racist.

You'd rather see the Black kids of Southern Africa condemed to death through lack of Aids treatment, as long as you don't call them black expletives.

That's just stupid.

I'd rather they be called all the black expletives in the world, as long as they survived and prospered.
Which is the racist view?

The "Black kids of Southern Africa" will never prosper in a society where such behaviour is toler8ed.

[Platypuss]

Ok.

If an acts importance assuages all liability for the crimes beneath it, you'd be living in a world where the only offence would be listening to a Mika record. When Tim McEviltits rapes someone it's not like he has cart-blanche to nick her wallet too. The floods in Russia are more important than root-canal surgery, but tell that to the poor bastard sat in the chair with a dentist breaching his cakehole like a queasy reveller over a toilet bowl.

It's not just about John Terry calling Anton Ferdinand a 'black c*nt'. It's about whether or not it's acceptable to be racially abusive towards another human being. And in the billions of legal cases hosted each year by this country that see very few hysteric activists outside picketing for better use of tax payers money, I happen to think reinforcing racial equality is pretty good value.

There aren’t many traits in humanity which carry the same historic subtext as racism. You can understand why people get upset about it, and why it is treated today in the courts, rather than left to the f/cking playground where stagnant, penis-compensating psychobollocks like John Terry run around as role models.

But I guess we can safely say you rather disagree a smidge, based on your little song at the end there. Can’t help but imagine it being shouted over the noise of clomping boots on a big march of some sort, but I guess it's rather heartfelt once you peel through the layers of rage and illogic.

With the limited resources of this country, you think the CPS were right to bring this case knowing the extravagance of the cost, when they won't bring a case for a number of rapes and assaults because they are not in the public interest and may not reach a conviction.

You'd rather see the Black kids of Southern Africa condemed to death through lack of Aids treatment, as long as you don't call them black expletives.

I'd rather they be called all the black expletives in the world, as long as they survived and prospered.
Which is the racist view?

Was it the strawman in the conservatory with the false dichotomy?

[watfordroyal]

My favourite bit was when watfordroyal believed I was a nematologist.

Don't think so since on your profile it says you're a poncy graphic designer, who's very good at drawing pretty pictures using his computer, well read & learned in shite, but whose life contribution to society is smaller than his tiny dick.

But I think this is just a cover for being an unemployed spunk drinker, in these hard times, has had to make do with drinking his own, but thinks it's the best he's ever tasted.

Now amaze me with a nice graphic.

[watfordroyal]

when they won't bring a case for a number of rapes and assaults because they are not in the public interest and may not reach a conviction.

What number?

Name a rapist that has escaped prosecution. Had this case not proceeded most people would be able to name an uncensured racist.

Just a quick google search and I find RAINN, ok US statistics, but, 97% of rapists will not spend a day in jail.
But maybe you're right, this simply does not happen in the uk.
How could we know the names if it's reported to police, but cps won't prosecute. She/he is not likely to go straight to the press/interweb, and Police can't name an "innocent" rapist?

[Hoop Blah]

She/he is not likely to go straight to the press/interweb, and Police can't name an "innocent" rapist?

Suspected rapists names are usually in the public domain. One of the problems with false accusations is that the suspects name is dragged through mud regardless of any outcome.

An example of a rape case being dropped due to lack of evidence and a low chance of a conviction is, ironically, Terry's old mate Jody Morris. Was he guilty though? No idea, but they obviously thought so originally.

But Neil Franklin, chief Crown prosecutor for West Yorkshire, said: "At all times the CPS has to be satisfied that there is a realistic prospect of obtaining a conviction, and while this could be asserted on the basis of the evidence submitted in the initial file, this is no longer the case.

"The thorough police inquiry which began following the allegation being made and which has continued since the arrests led to a request from West Yorkshire Police for further work by the Forensic Science Service.

"The FSS has completed this work and, as a result, submitted further evidence which undermines the prosecution case to the extent that there is no longer a realistic prospect of obtaining a conviction."

[From Despair To Where?]

I'm confused, is the John Terry procaliming in court "i'm not a racist" a different one to the John Terry who was once reportedly sent off for calling Ledley King a "rubber lipped monkey"?

[Alexander Litvinenko]

This case, surely, is all about precedent. A conviction is such a high-profile case will carry a strong message which clearly makes the money worthwhile. Just as not prosecuting would carry a clear message that it's open-season to be racist ....

And the lazy argument of "wasting taxpayer's money" is a fatuous one - the CPS, the courts and the judges etc aren't being employed just for this case. They're being paid by us whether they work on this one or not, so the only cost is that their time isn't available for other cases - which is far less significant.

[Silver Fox]

Until watfordroyal started it seemed JT's preposterous defence would be the most embarassing thing about this story

I'm almost feeling sorry for him now

Although I do like the idea of giving Africans AIDS medicine on the condition that we're allowed to racially abuse them