Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

[Who Moved The Goalposts?]

I think the real point is getting a little lost. Football is so totally dominated by money that managers are appointed on whether they'll likely bring financial success off the pitch. I'm pretty confident that if a board genuinely thought that a new coach/manager was likely to bring in the cash, colour wouldn't enter into it. There has to be an underlying reason why there are so few black managers, but I don't think even Jason Roberts really knows why.

[TFF]

Wut?

[MeMeMe]

So Jason Roberts is on high horse yet again, Great when he was playing for us, then just took the piss and is now filling his days spouting shit.

This time it's all about there being no black football managers, in an interview Roberts added:
"I would go further, I would say there is open resistance. There hasn't been any real will from any of the governing bodies to move on this issue. There has been a lack of leadership.".

A resistance to having black managers in football !!, lack of leadership on this issue. How about there being no applicants, how about there being better qualified applicants or even... there is NO oxf*rd ISSUE !. i'm sick tired of this guy trying to play the race against every situation he finds that is not agreeable with him

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29337157

Get a life Roberts !

[photographer]

Hating and denying opportunities to blacks is so retro. Roberts should get with the times. It's all about hating muslims these days.

[Nameless]

How about there being no applicants, how about there being better qualified applicants or even... there is NO oxf*rd ISSUE !.

Well there are applicants, some of them very well qualified (Pro licence holders). The number of black managers (2 currently) is way out of line with the number of black players in the game (25-30%). There could be all sorts of reasons for this, but it's wrong to say there is no issue.
I suspect the reason is that most chairmen play it safe, they go for names they know which is why the same old names always crop up on the short lists for jobs.
It will change, years ago people said that we would not have black goalkeepers, now it's not even thought of as a question. People said black players couldn't play in the cold and wet or that they couldn't play in midfield. There is no reason why the colour of a person's skin should have any bearing on whether than can be a good manager.

[Pseud O'Nym]

General Football

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Surely people are making an issue by saying there's an issue?

A Club can't just employ a Black manager because there isn't enough of them. A Club will employ a manager because he will fit into the club's way of working and he is what the Chairman is looking for, lets say 1/10 applicants are black, there is a 9/10 chance that he isn't going to get the job regardless of ethnicity just purely on who the chairman thinks is the best manager for the club.

it's an outrageous statement saying that there aren't enough black managers, this is just segregating the so called division further.

[sandman]

Think the fact that you won't even entertain the possibility that he may be right would seem to suggest that there could be a problem. What's your ethnic origin MeMeMe? I'm assuming that you must be from an ethnic minority for you to be so sure that there is not a problem in this country with racism in football and other walks of life.

[peterroyal76]

Easy to implement the Rooney rule when you have no relegation.

[Ian Royal]

There is a fundamental thing to be concerned about in the lack of black managers.

Managers and coaches are typically drawn from ex-players so you'd expect to see a lag in the coaching and management representation compared to playing representation. However there have been plenty of black players long enough enough that you'd expect to see more black players and coaches.

I'd suggest football chairmen, owners and senior management are not that likely to be drawn from the ranks of the most progressive people, so it is likely that there is a partial racist road block to black managers. But I also doubt it's the whole problem.

I'd question whether there is a common enough desire amongst black players to go into coaching or management as an equally big, if not bigger problem. Now that could be rooted in a historic issue of black people going into football as a route to success otherwise blocked to them because of their background and that perhaps the older black former players are not best suited to management or coaching which I'd think requires a greater educational standard than playing. That'd just be thinking out loud but it might explain a larger lag between black people getting into good playing representation and getting into good coaching representation.

I certainly hope we see far better representation in coaching in the future. Jut as I'd like to see greater representation in the playing community for other British ethic minorities.

My problem with Roberts is he seems to take an overly simplistic and confrontational approach to the problem, ignoring other issues that tie in with the one he wants to promote as well as the factors that cause it that are reasonable compared to his agenda of racism. Now that may be slightly hypocritical given my willingness to accept the necessity of an aggressive branch to the pro atheist movement in general.

Also GE

[JimmytheJim]

Reading fans are embarrassing.

You have to be a bit simple not to recognise the long history of subjugation of black people in this country and most others around the world.

It manifests itself in many ways.

One of those ways is the lack of any effort to train, hire and retain black football coaches and managers. It's not exactly the cotton fields, but it is nonetheless an issue that bears discussion.

It's obviously standard on this board to call Jason Roberts a prick or a reverse racist whenever he talks about legitimate racial issues, which is quite shameful really. Berkshire is awash with privileged right wing white folk who have never experienced what it's like to face the issues people of colour have faced historically and continue to face today.

Tl,dr, shut the oxf*rd up white closet racist home county reactionaries.

[grey_squirrel]

There is a reason why there are no good black swimmers. Athletic on the track does not mean good in the pool.

Similarly and equally, there is a reason why there are no 'good' black Managers. Good on the pitch does not mean excelling in the dug out.

FFS Roberts et al, move on.

[Ian Royal]

There is a reason why there are no good black swimmers. Athletic on the track does not mean good in the pool.

Similarly and equally, there is a reason why there are no 'good' black Managers. Good on the pitch does not mean excelling in the dug out.

FFS Roberts et al, move on.

racist.

[peterroyal76]

Reading fans are embarrassing.

You have to be a bit simple not to recognise the long history of subjugation of black people in this country and most others around the world.

It manifests itself in many ways.

One of those ways is the lack of any effort to train, hire and retain black football coaches and managers. It's not exactly the cotton fields, but it is nonetheless an issue that bears discussion.

It's obviously standard on this board to call Jason Roberts a prick or a reverse racist whenever he talks about legitimate racial issues, which is quite shameful really. Berkshire is awash with privileged right wing white folk who have never experienced what it's like to face the issues people of colour have faced historically and continue to face today.

Tl,dr, shut the oxf*rd up white closet racist home county reactionaries.

The only lack of effort to train as a coach can come from the person themselves. If an ex-player wants to go on a coaching course the only barrier is themselves.

[Ian Royal]

It's got oxf*rd all to do with being good enough. There's plenty of shit white managers* who get regularly employed.








*Adkins gag gaping net.

[melonhead]

The numbers taking the courses is decent enough, it's between there and the clubs there is a disconnect.
Hence the issue

[strap]

Reading fans are embarrassing.

Tl,dr, shut the oxf*rd up white closet racist home county reactionaries.

Which of course ISN'T racist as it is directed against the white middle classes

Jesus H Christ - some people!!

Where's the reaction against there being too many black players compared with the relative numbers of blacks and whites in the population in general?

Where's the reaction against there being not enough Asian players compared to the relative numbers in the population in general?

Where's the reaction against their being not enough Muslim or Jewish or Catholic or Protestant players compared to the relative numbers in general?

Here's a clue - because this is just the way it is! What do the likes of Roberts and yourself want? Bloody quotas?

These are NOT issues, in the same way that the numbers of black managers bearing no relation to the relative numbers in the population in general is NOT an issue.

The sooner these race warrior idiots stop looking for problems where none exist, the sooner we can ALL move on for the better.

[SCIAG]

There is a reason why there are no good black swimmers.

Swimming pools tend to be where white people are.

Similarly and equally, there is a reason why there are no 'good' black Managers.

Except for Champions League winners like Frank Rijkard and Roberto Di Matteo? Chris Hughton, Paul Ince, Chris Powell?

It is an extraordinary claim to say that the melanin content of your skin is important in your ability to manage a football club.

People who brush this issue under the carpet are being racist, like it or not. Yes, that means you, MeMeMe, and Unbelievable Jeff.

[SCIAG]

Reading fans are embarrassing.

Tl,dr, shut the oxf*rd up white closet racist home county reactionaries.

Which of course ISN'T racist as it is directed against the white middle classes

Jesus H Christ - some people!!

Where's the reaction against there being too many black players compared with the relative numbers of blacks and whites in the population in general?

Where's the reaction against there being not enough Asian players compared to the relative numbers in the population in general?

Where's the reaction against their being not enough Muslim or Jewish or Catholic or Protestant players compared to the relative numbers in general?

Here's a clue - because this is just the way it is! What do the likes of Roberts and yourself want? Bloody quotas?

These are NOT issues, in the same way that the numbers of black managers bearing no relation to the relative numbers in the population in general is NOT an issue.

The sooner these race warrior idiots stop looking for problems where none exist, the sooner we can ALL move on for the better.

Now you, strap, I know to be a relatively sensible person, and these are sensible questions.

There is a reaction against there being not enough Asian players. There has also, of late, been a reaction about the relative shortage of middle class players (which is part of the reason why blacks are disproportionately overrepresented).

What I want is for all footballers, regardless of background, to have roughly equal opportunity in the professional game. Only relevant factors like knowledge of the game or people skills should divide people, not irrelevant ones like skin colour, nationality, sexual orientation, or, dare I say it, gender.

Tell me: if you were denied a job for being white, would you accept that as "just the way it is - NOT an issue"?

[Martin41]

Roberts may have a point, he may not.
He is however entitled to his opinion, so people who say stop going on about it, are basically saying no one should speak out for what they believe in.