Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

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Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by No Fixed Abode » 15 Mar 2011 17:26


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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Svlad Cjelli » 15 Mar 2011 17:30

13 months ago Terry was an obnoxious, immoral, shit.

So what's changed since then?

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Ginger Ninjas » 15 Mar 2011 17:41

Clearly not - his performance and attitude at the World Cup demonstrates that perfectly.

Irrespective of the question in hand, why is Baldini talking to the players involved, should be the manager's job.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by roadrunner » 15 Mar 2011 17:43

No he shouldn't, and nor IMO should Rio Ferdinand.

But who else do you offer the arm band to?

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by No Fixed Abode » 15 Mar 2011 17:56

Ginger Ninjas Clearly not - his performance and attitude at the World Cup demonstrates that perfectly.

Irrespective of the question in hand, why is Baldini talking to the players involved, should be the manager's job.


Even though JT was the only played to stand up and question the attitude of the players during the World Cup? He won alot of respect for that apparently.


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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by roadrunner » 15 Mar 2011 18:10

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Ginger Ninjas Clearly not - his performance and attitude at the World Cup demonstrates that perfectly.

Irrespective of the question in hand, why is Baldini talking to the players involved, should be the manager's job.


Even though JT was the only played to stand up and question the attitude of the players during the World Cup? He won alot of respect for that apparently.


And then lost it again in record time.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Hoop Blah » 15 Mar 2011 18:45

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Ginger Ninjas Clearly not - his performance and attitude at the World Cup demonstrates that perfectly.

Irrespective of the question in hand, why is Baldini talking to the players involved, should be the manager's job.


Even though JT was the only played to stand up and question the attitude of the players during the World Cup? He won alot of respect for that apparently.


Respect from who?

It's a bit of a sticky situation for Capello though. If he goes back to Terry it's a big climb down, especially after handing the armband around so much against Denmark (which to me showed a total lack of forethought on Capello's behalf).

It is a bit of a one off for the upcoming Wales game though but long term it is something that might need to be sorted out if Ferdinand is going to continue to have on/off fitness issues. Gerrard is the obvious solution for the rest of Capello's reign but if he's out for the odd game give it to Rooney or Cole until the new manager comes in and builds his own squad around his own captain and senior pros.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Tails » 15 Mar 2011 19:08

Bored of the Terry vitriol now - I'll never like him but to continue this vendetta against a man who [like it or not] represents a significant characteristic of footballers, the English, general humanity is futile and unproductive. If you think that vilifying him will act as some sort of catharsis of your own misgivings well, you wont achieve much. So we are going to give it to the likes of Cole instead? Or to others that might just be the next Beckham? Pah.

How about drawing a line under the sand and give it to someone that will remain in the team for the foreseeable, who will 'lead' the team as much as football captains do these days [not that I think its a sport that calls for a significant role of a captain].

If that man is Terry then give it to him. Terry becoming captain wont be a back down, the punishment was to take the captaincy away, true power would be to have the strength to give it back to him [so long as its on England's terms and no one else].

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Royal With Cheese » 15 Mar 2011 19:15

No.


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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Row Z Royal » 15 Mar 2011 19:16

Shouldn't be in the team, let alone have the armband.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by sandman » 15 Mar 2011 19:19

No Fixed Abode Even though JT was the only played to stand up and question the attitude of the players during the World Cup? He won alot of respect for that apparently.


The way I and the media that were remember it Good Ol' JT attempted to undermine the manager and infuriate his team mates in what was seen by the England squad, ex players and the media as an attempted coup. Basically, he got about as much respect from his team mates as people give Charlie Sheen.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1288194/WORLD-CUP-2010-Its-mutiny-John-Terry-fails-plot-undermine-Fabio-Capello.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/22/world-cup-2010-fabio-capello-john-terry

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2890/world-cup-2010/2010/06/21/1987879/world-cup-2010-ex-england-defender-paul-parker-angry-at-john

I can't believe Capello is even considering this and I doubt the players are thrilled at the prospect of having Terry return as Captain.
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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Terminal Boardom » 15 Mar 2011 19:28

Now, Charlie Sheen as captain could be interesting.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by TBM » 15 Mar 2011 19:47

roadrunner and nor IMO should Rio Ferdinand.


Why? - what has Rio done wrong? :|


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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Hoop Blah » 15 Mar 2011 19:50

Tails Bored of the Terry vitriol now - I'll never like him but to continue this vendetta against a man who [like it or not] represents a significant characteristic of footballers, the English, general humanity is futile and unproductive. If you think that vilifying him will act as some sort of catharsis of your own misgivings well, you wont achieve much. So we are going to give it to the likes of Cole instead? Or to others that might just be the next Beckham? Pah.

How about drawing a line under the sand and give it to someone that will remain in the team for the foreseeable, who will 'lead' the team as much as football captains do these days [not that I think its a sport that calls for a significant role of a captain].

If that man is Terry then give it to him. Terry becoming captain wont be a back down, the punishment was to take the captaincy away, true power would be to have the strength to give it back to him [so long as its on England's terms and no one else].


I'm not sure you can draw a 'line under the sand' if you're looking to reinstate a player who reportedly created a damaging split in the camp as captain.

If as a manager you have campaigned for a squad of responsibility and discipline going back on just about your biggest decision won't be seen as having strength, it will be seen as a sign that you've run out of ideas and can't back up your talk. When so much of top level competition is decided by small margins where the belief and confidence in the manager/gameplan and togetherness of the squad counts for so much it would, IMO, be a big negative for Capello's chances of finishing anywhere near on a high.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Row Z Royal » 15 Mar 2011 19:52

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roadrunner and nor IMO should Rio Ferdinand.


Why? - what has Rio done wrong? :|


He never plays.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Ian Royal » 15 Mar 2011 19:52

Backwards step. Try it round a few over the next several games and then pick one on how they do.

If the players don't know who to give the armband to when they're subbed they bloody well ought to, or be told who by the oncoming sub.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by TBM » 15 Mar 2011 20:02

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roadrunner and nor IMO should Rio Ferdinand.


Why? - what has Rio done wrong? :|


He never plays.


Bit like Readings captain then..... :lol:

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by soggy biscuit » 15 Mar 2011 20:12

He did a great job for us during the Euro 2008 qualifying campaign so why not!

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by RoyalJames101 » 15 Mar 2011 21:00

Not quite on topic but, i have a feeling Chris Smalling will be a future England captain.

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Re: Should John Terry be reinstated as England Captain?

by Row Z Royal » 15 Mar 2011 21:22

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Why? - what has Rio done wrong? :|


He never plays.


Bit like Readings captain then..... :lol:


I did consider going into the Club Captain/Team Captain scenario, but thought it would be self-explanatory.

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