Foreign TV feeds

[Silver Fox]

Can't be arsed to find the original threads but TV in the lobby is suggesting that landlady from Porsmuff has won her case in the European Court against the EPL for showing games on a foreign feed. So does this mean pubs will all have the Dubai TV feed from now on or will the EPL somehow still flex their muscles. what effect will it have on me and you, the man in the street? Will there be less TV money available when this happens, will that drive up ticket prices? Will Sky subs go up?

Feel free to discuss

[YateleyRoyal]

http://www.fsf.org.uk/media/uploaded/fi ... aw-web.pdf

Pretty interesting read on the whole situation. Basically saying that if she won, then the whole rights to the EPL and the rest of the European leagues could be sold on a europewide basis. And Sky would probably still win, because of Sky, Sky Italia, and Sky Deutschland, and there being no such thing as a Europe-wide monopoly commision.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Yes almost certainly teh response will be for the PL to sell a European package rather than individual packages in each country. I'd hope teh rights value will go down a bit because of this.

[Barry the bird boggler]

Yes almost certainly teh response will be for the PL to sell a European package rather than individual packages in each country. I'd hope teh rights value will go down a bit because of this.

I'd agree, be nice to see the amount of SKY money getting into the PL reduced because of the need to put more money into acquire rights across Europe. Bet it doesn't pan out like that though.

[Super_horns]

Probably not good for the lower leagues clubs near Premiership clubs but might bring a bit of reality to football clubs and the money they spend.

[gh7901]

What about Saturday 3pm games that are broadcast abroad? If foreign channels are now allowed to be shown, are there any additional restrictions on those games? Because I reckon even if the price went up, landlords would be more tempted by being able to show games that Sky can't.

[Svlad Cjelli]

What about Saturday 3pm games that are broadcast abroad? If foreign channels are now allowed to be shown, are there any additional restrictions on those games? Because I reckon even if the price went up, landlords would be more tempted by being able to show games that Sky can't.

TBH a lot of them do that already now.

[PieEater]

I don't get that the outcome means there has to be one end price for the service. The ruling just said that they cannot differentiate by country.

So Sky can fudge different prices by separating wholesale and retail arms of the broadcaster, Sky broadcast sells to Sky UK retail who maintain their high price and Sky Greece gets it cheap.

This won't stop pubs being able to choose the Greek option but it does mean they don't necessarily have to charge the same.

[gazzer, loyal royal]

sky are saying that a lot the footage is copyrighted, so any EPL logo or grpahics are copyrighted, so it is an infringement of copy right laws.

i'm not quite sure how it will all work.

[ZacNaloen]

They license those feeds to those broadcasters anyway, so that's bollocks.

[No Fixed Abode]

Three Tuns were showing the United v Norwich game on Saturday.

[who are ya?]

I've watched Chelsea at 3 oclock on a Saturday down the pub quite often. It's good to see some normal timed football on the box.

[The Rouge]

The person on Sky News earlier said that the latest ruling doesn't mean the Porsmuff woman had won. She just claimed she had.

[Svlad Cjelli]

The person on Sky News earlier said that the latest ruling doesn't mean the Porsmuff woman had won. She just claimed she had.

[cmonurz]

If I have understood various stories correctly, this landlady lost her specific case to transmit live games in her pub using a decoder, as that becomes a public broadcast and so is then subject to various laws. However it has been clarified as not illegal to own and use a decoder in the home in order to receive transmissions of EPL matches on foreign TV stations.

[Svlad Cjelli]

Really? That's not my understanding of this.

Essentially, she was receiving programmes on a Greek satellite TV card, legitimately purchased in Greece. Sky TV maintained that to watch PL matches in the UK she had to purchase a Sky UK contract, and that it was illegal to watch via a Greek TV contract in the UK.

This was thrown out on the basis that the single-market means that any product for sale in one EU member state has to be on sale in all the others, so Sky TV could not legally restrict sale to one territory.

[cmonurz]

I think we are saying one and the same thing - I don't have the detail of the ruling but iirc whilst it has been ruled she can legally use a Greek TV card, and watch Greek broadcast of EPL matches in her home, she would not legally be allowed to broadcast the match in her pub.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I see what you're saying - she had a domestic viewing contract, so she'd have to purchase a more-expensive commercial-style contract from Greece to show matches in the pub.

But having said that, there's legally nothing to stop her doing that.

[PieEater]

I thought she already had the legal Greek pub equivalent, if she'd of wanted to get a domestic stream to broadcast in her there'd be no need to get one from Greece.

The PL issue is they are asserting copyright on their brand, rather than the Sky service provision. The question now is being legally allowed to broadcast branded content without the brand owner permission, which they've suddenly decided to withhold for Greek content in the UK.

[ZacNaloen]

Which completely against the spirit, if not the technicalities of the ruling


Sky are such cocks