Nevilles

[floyd__streete]

I am heartily sick of these two pr@ts dominating my football viewing.

Gary was a decent player but is already the worst kind of sub-Keys & Gray 'tabloid pundit'. He regularly offers histrionic red top 'analysis' such as in last night's Everton game where he genuinely described Mirallas taking the ball off Baines to ultimately miss a penalty as being 'worse for team spirit than punching someone'. This beats my previous favourite, when David de Gea was in poor form a year or two ago Neville launched into full crisis mode, describing the United players reactions at a soft last minute goal in the style of Warden Norton from Shawshank: "they're not looking at each other, they're not looking at the crowd, they're looking at de Gea"......yeah, they're probably just looking at the ball in disbelief Gary, you prissy little drama queen

He's still better than his brother. Phil's high pitched co-commentary on the England vs Italy game in the World Cup was unbearable, made me long for Andy Townsend. Now 'the Real Son of Steptoe' is wheeled out every other week on the increasingly intolerable Match of the Day and attempts to give some sort of high-handed gravitas to his punditry. I've hated Neville's face ever since he gormlessly and needlessly gave away a last minute penalty to knock England out of Euro 2000. Now from beyond the career grave we have to suffer his voice too.

Screw you Sky & BBC. Screw you for assuming that we all subscribe to some sort of love afair with 'The Class of 92'.

[Big Foot]

Agreed re: Phil Neville - file alongside Danny Murphy under "bland commentary"

However - Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher's analysis and insight is top drawer and a real advancement on where Sky's coverage was a few years ago, IMO

[Alan Partridge]

Gary Neville the now oracle of goalkeeping in this country, no wonder we haven't produced a goalkeeper since David Seaman. Absolutely clueless over inflated opinion of himself, can't stand him to be honest.

[Whatevs]

However - Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher's analysis and insight is top drawer and a real advancement on where Sky's coverage was a few years ago, IMO

+1 really surprised by Carragher.

[No Fixed Abode]

However - Gary Neville & Jamie Carragher's analysis and insight is top drawer and a real advancement on where Sky's coverage was a few years ago, IMO

+1 really surprised by Carragher.

He's ok.

Prefer Neville's opinion as he's been there and won the lot.

[sandman]

Floyd hates everything and kes has a dig at Liverpool, vintage HNA?

[Pepe the Horseman]

<3 G-Nev

[winchester_royal]

+20

A rare swing and a miss from Floyd

[No Fixed Abode]

Floyd hates everything and kes has a dig at Liverpool, vintage HNA?

Only a Liverpool fan would think I was having a dig at Liverpool from my post above. Vintage Liverpool fans!

[Angry Shed Sex]

It's like Groundhog Day.

[LUX]

G Nev's better than I feared, but I h8 his bumfluff moustache. Carragher is unlistenable, it's the accent. Townsend, Lawro, Robbie Savage, Shearer.........shambles

It's an old conundrum, Floyd. Who would be better? I've always praised Vialli and Klinsmann. Is Henri the (overpaid) answer? Robbie Earle was good to listen to.

[Angry Shed Sex]

Gary Birtles hates us.

[Ouroboros]

I don't mind G-Nev, I think he's generally pretty good.

WRT MotD, I find the only enjoyable way to watch it is to wait until 30 mins after it has started, fire up iplayer and start from the beginning, skipping the "analysis." Otherwise I just get angry and upset.

Just show us the football (you bastards).

While I'm at it, the very worst thing in the world is how MotD insist on discussing every dive, red card, offside and penalty at great length, to the virtual exclusion of all else. Yes, the officials make awful decisions sometimes and often marginal, debatable decisions decide matches. We know this. I don't care about it any more. I can't take any more complaint about it. Analyse the fucking football for a change. Try to bring your spectacular footballing insight to say something about the way the teams played.

[bobby1413]

Thierry Henry - having listened to a few interviews, and about 5 minutes of the match he did the other day as his debut, he is terrible. Listening to someone who's every other word is "mmmmm", and takes then 5 minutes to actually get to the point is unbearable.

G Neville - Love the guy's commentry and punditry. He says it how it is, and he is clear and concise. He knows what he's talking about and he's easy to listen to.

Carra - he's OK, I don't dislike him, and I think him and Neville make a good combination.

P Neville - don't particularly enjoy listening to him

Shearer - yaawwwwwwn, bit bored of him now.

I think I saw jermaine jenas do a MOTD recently and I actually thought he was decent. Quite refreshing to hear someone elses opinion and he did well

[Mr Angry]

Gary Neville's analysis of what was wrong with us in the League game v Arsenal was absolutely spot on, and showed his knowledge of the game.

Sadly, it was a fault that we never eradicated that season.

[Zammo]

Punditry is at an all-time low. Five Live, once the home of the great co-commentator now has Savage, Mills, Hartson and Jason Roberts on its books. Only Pat Nevin from the current crop is any good.

Cricket is going the same way. Nearly spat at out my Frosties when I heard Flintoff on TMS this morning. What the hell was that great big lumbering Northerner doing on there

[floyd__streete]

Interesting to read some polarised opinions.

I don't doubt the soundness of G Neville's football knowledge and he imparts it very decently at times.

The rest of the time - as I alluded to earlier - it is sensationalist, tabloidist tittle-tattle speculative guess-whats-going-on-in-the-dressing-room nonsense from G Neville. I go onto a football message board expecting that kind of 'insight'. I don't find it impressive coming from a pundit. Tbf to him, I expect he is encouraged to throw some of that soap-operaist lowest-common-denomin8r stuff in by his employers.

As Lux alludes to, I'd suggest that those of you who seem very impressed by G Nev have very low expectations from your football pundits. And I can understand why, given the dross which is generally available Btw, FWIW.....Souness > G Neville.

Compare and contrast SKy's excellent England cricket coverage. I turn the commentary right up so I can listen to some intelligent insight into the game. The counter argument would be that cricket is a slower game which allows for more considered opinion. My come back to that would be that some of Neville's worst excesses of hyperbole come pre/post-match; Sky's yawningly elongated live football coverage allows plenty of time for considered opinion. And when they cut out the overstatement and hearsay you do get that, albeit sparingly.

[floyd__streete]

Cricket is going the same way. Nearly spat at out my Frosties when I heard Flintoff on TMS this morning. What the hell was that great big lumbering Northerner doing on there

Would agree that TMS standards have dropped. Flintoff is an abysmal pundit, entirely interested in perpetuating his banterous reputation above all else. Only the kind of person who watches Mrs Brown's Boys would enjoy Flintoff's broadcasting. Vaughan is equally moronic and giggly at times. Tuffnell gets the balance a bit better. Can't we just have Victor Marks on all day? And for lead commentators, anyone but Charles Dagnall please.....I'd never not get tired of listening to his voice

[bobby1413]

Who's the guy who does "Rock n Roll Football" on Saturdays with Ian Wright? He seems to have some decent knowledge

[sandman]

Floyd hates everything and kes has a dig at Liverpool, vintage HNA?

Only a Liverpool fan would think I was having a dig at Liverpool from my post above. Vintage Liverpool fans!

Wellp, you got me, c'mon you reds. I think it's because, as many will attest, I've always loved Brendan Rodgers.

On a serious note, those who watch the Premier League should think themselves lucky that they don't hear the dulcet tones of Gerry Armstrong on SKY's La Liga coverage. One of the best examples of his ineptitude was this weekend when a brilliant piece of skill on the byline from Karim Benzema that played Cristiano Ronaldo in to score was put down to a "deflection off the keeper".