Championship Match fixing? Norwich vs Derby

[pooandwee]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/7665670.stm

[PistolPete]

HT score in brackets.

04/10/08

Barnsley - Doncaster 4-1 (0-1)
Birmingham - QPR 1-0 (1-0)
Blackpool - Cardiff 1-1 (0-0)
Charlton - Ipswich 2-1 (1-1)
Coventry - Southampton 4-1 (2-0)
Norwich - Derby 1-2 (0-1) Roy Carrol Red Card on 50mins
Nottingham F. - Crystal Palace 0-2 (0-1)
Plymouth - Sheffield Wed 4-0 (3-0)
Reading - Burnley 3-1 (1-0)
Sheffield Utd - Bristol City 3-0 (1-0)
Swansea - Wolves 3-1 (2-1)
Watford - Preston 2-1 (2-1)

The Telegraph article doesn't say when the game was played.

It does, however, say this:

In this case the handicap made an enormous, unexplained swing that would indicate a major on-field event when nothing of that nature had occurred. However, later in the match a major on-field event did occur.

Source:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... claim.html

"Major on-field event" does seem to me to indicate a red card.

[From Despair To Where?]

The Carroll sending off was fairly clear cut.

Barnsley hadn't scored in 4 matches, have a man sent off at 1-0 down and then win 4-1. I know it was against Doncaster, but still......

[pooandwee]

hmmm, gambling addiction

[The Cube]

Well, I was looking at the Telegraph article for clues and spotted:
(a) "recent Championship game"
(b) "a massive movement at around half-time"
(c) "the handicap made an enormous, unexplained swing that would indicate a major on-field event when nothing of that nature had occurred. However, later in the match a major on-field event did occur".

(So Noel Hunt "being ill pitchside" seems to fit.....)

Back to reality - I guess it's most likely to be a TV game but having seen none of them nothing springs to mind.

[PistolPete]

http://www.football.virginmedia.com/pag ... 55,00.html

The Norwich 'keeper Marshall is fairly dodgy too!! perhaps that ruined the plan?!

[Super_horns]

Well, I was looking at the Telegraph article for clues and spotted:
(a) "recent Championship game"
(b) "a massive movement at around half-time"
(c) "the handicap made an enormous, unexplained swing that would indicate a major on-field event when nothing of that nature had occurred. However, later in the match a major on-field event did occur".

(So Noel Hunt "being ill pitchside" seems to fit.....)

Back to reality - I guess it's most likely to be a TV game but having seen none of them nothing springs to mind.

We were 1 down to Ipswich on TV and come back to win from 1 behind at half-time

Ipswich did their best to go from outplaying us to letting us have chance after chance!

['Av Some Of That!]

Well, I was looking at the Telegraph article for clues and spotted:
(a) "recent Championship game"
(b) "a massive movement at around half-time"
(c) "the handicap made an enormous, unexplained swing that would indicate a major on-field event when nothing of that nature had occurred. However, later in the match a major on-field event did occur".

(So Noel Hunt "being ill pitchside" seems to fit.....)

Back to reality - I guess it's most likely to be a TV game but having seen none of them nothing springs to mind.

We were 1 down to Ipswich on TV and come back to win from 1 behind at half-time

Ipswich did their best to go from outplaying us to letting us have chance after chance!

You dirty, rotten, match-fixing cheats. I am now convinced that our first goal against you did actually cross the line inbetween the posts regardless of what the replays show.

[TFF]

Can one player exert enough influence in a match like this? Getting sent off so your team loses may be possible but then get a win?

An official? Again, pretty difficult to engineer a result (short of actually awarding goals that never happened of course) without getting noticed.

Pretty difficult to prove anything unless there's a cash trail. I predict this will go nowhere.

[RG30]

Hmmm, I'll speak to someone I know who trades this market on a daily basis to see what has been said.

[Row Z Royal]

I'm going to categorically state that I don't think Greg Halford's involved in any way.

[From Despair To Where?]

Well, I was looking at the Telegraph article for clues and spotted:
(a) "recent Championship game"
(b) "a massive movement at around half-time"
(c) "the handicap made an enormous, unexplained swing that would indicate a major on-field event when nothing of that nature had occurred. However, later in the match a major on-field event did occur".

(So Noel Hunt "being ill pitchside" seems to fit.....)

A betting fix might explain Patterson and Blake running into each other, though.

[chilipepper91]

The Carroll sending off was fairly clear cut.

Barnsley hadn't scored in 4 matches, have a man sent off at 1-0 down and then win 4-1. I know it was against Doncaster, but still......

Even with Carroll being sent off, they were still winning, and still won.

The only major, and shocking, swing, was that of Barnsley. That's the only game (apart from Burnley-Watford) since mid-September that's changed winners between half time and full time.

[The Cube]

I've had a look on some other boards that in the past I have found to be fruitful sources of advance information, but found nothing concrete. Incidentally I don't think that "recent" necessarily means last week. There are only two matches I've seen mentioned more than once:
Plymouth v Bristol City (Bristol City came back from 2-0 down with 30 minutes left)
Barnsley v Doncaster (as described above)
(I'm excluding all Watford matches from this bit, because every board seems to have a member called Super_horns posting about them!)

The team that is getting more unspecified mentions than most seems to be Charlton, because of their Asian connections.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

It could conceivably be the Watford Reading game.

There was talk around half time of Reading deliberatly conceeding a goal to make amends.

Just strikes me as very odd that the abnormal betting patterns were during the game. That says to me that the bets were a reaction to what was happening during a game, rather than something pre planned. ?

I dont see how you can 'fix' a game with a pre determined event at a certain point.

[chilipepper91]

It could conceivably be the Watford Reading game.

There was talk around half time of Reading deliberatly conceeding a goal to make amends.

Just strikes me as very odd that the abnormal betting patterns were during the game. That says to me that the bets were a reaction to what was happening during a game, rather than something pre planned. ?

I dont see how you can 'fix' a game with a pre determined event at a certain point.

It could, though there are 2 contentious points for the Watford-Reading game.

1. The "goal".
2. The goal we were supposedly going to give them.

If you fix a game, it'll either be an individual or a whole team. And it'd be very hard to fix it to win, obviously, as you have little to no control over such a fate.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

The situation could have been this though:

1.Betting syndicate in Asia get word that Reading will concede a goal.

2.Large sums 'selling' Reading on the Handicap.

3.After Reading concede, Large sums 'buying' Reading to cover the bet.

But like the report says, the supposed on field event did not happen, but there were significant changes to the game thereafter.

they are investigating match fixing claims as standard when there is abnormal betting patterns. Doesn't actually mean anything was fixed. It could have been people trying to take advantage of an event they thought was going to happen that would drastically affect the market.

[crossie]

I reckon the it was the Watford game. There's your reason for the goal. Dirty, cheating lino.

[Stranded]

I reckon the it was the Watford game. There's your reason for the goal. Dirty, cheating lino.

Apart from the bets took place at HT and the "goal" was in the first half.

[crossie]

I reckon the it was the Watford game. There's your reason for the goal. Dirty, cheating lino.

Apart from the bets took place at HT and the "goal" was in the first half.

Cos all the crooks in Asia then thought "Yes! It worked! Muhahaha. Let's put loads of money on for a draw."