Tommy Smith - Gazumped by Pompey - Thread

[Dick Habbin's hairdo]

Have we signed the fecker yet?

My Golden Boy mate is so extracting the bladderwater on this one.... and the fact that we actually paid compensation for Brenda.

[Royal Lady]

I wonder how much we originally offered for Mills.

Don't know, but I bet Rodgers wouldn't have played him if Coppell had signed him...we all know he doesn't play any of Coppell's signings afterall...

It's a shame we dithered about on this for the sake of a couple of hundred grand, and as RR said earlier, our poor start to the season in front of goal has played right into Watfords hands. Not our best handling of a purchase, but as long as Rodgers gets his man it's a good result.

Look, he IS obviously playing Coppell signings, but he's preferring to play the youngsters in positions when he can - thus appearing TO ME to prefer playing the youngsters. Jeez.

[Mr Optimist]

Have we signed the fecker yet?

My Golden Boy mate is so extracting the bladderwater on this one.... and the fact that we actually paid compensation for Brenda.

Any group of fans who can refer to themselves as the "Golden Boys" is in no position to extract the urine from anyone else.

[Royal Soupanoodle]

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/watfordfc/watfordfcnews/4556001.Board_meet_to_discuss___1_8m_Smith_bid/

Watford's board will meet today to discuss Reading's Tommy Smith bid

10:49am Thursday 20th August 2009

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By Frank Smith »


A decision over Tommy Smith’s future is expected in the near future as Watford hold a board meeting this afternoon to discuss Reading’s take-it-or-leave-it bid.

Yesterday it was reported Reading had made a £1.6m offer for Smith but the Watford Observer understands the Royals have actually matched Sheffield United’s accepted £1.8m bid.

Watford will not comment on the latest offer or the fee involved but have confirmed a board meeting will take place this afternoon to decide whether to accept the latest bid.

Chairman Jimmy Russo has stated on a number of occasions that he will not let Smith leave unless the club’s valuation is met and it is unclear whether the offer is £1.8m outright or consists of a number of add-ons.

Newcastle have enquired about the forward and with Damien Duff’s move to Fulham going through on Tuesday, the North East club may yet make an offer for Smith, who supported the Magpies as a youngster.

[Deathy]

Hammond missed the team photo - "Shane Long was attending his brother's wedding back in Ireland, and Nick Hammond was away on business."

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

why cant we just have the team in the photo, bunch of fecking hangers on.

[IMAMATEOFJOVSKY]

If it hadn't become so obvious that we needed him we may well have got our man for less, but neither Rodgers nor Madejski could afford NOT to get him in the end and Watford knew that so played harder ball than they might otherwise have done.

Fair play to them.

We win, we get our man. (Presumably.)

They win, they get the big fee.

Everyone's happy.

Except Reading FC supporters of course who will look for the big negative.

how can you say its a WIN WIN ???- we valued him at £750k fact because thats what we initally offered - Bugs has shown that he aint all hes cut out to be in negotiating and so we are now at £1.8 and still no clear cut decision - Because we fooked Watford about they are playing us at our game - dont blame them at all - they accepted Sheff Utds bid for same amount but haven't accepted ours - we are looking total tools on this one - and the only winners coming out of this are Watford !! - it also shows that going forward other clubs can take a leaf from Watford and fook us about in negotations - so saying its a win-win is total Sheite!

[Hoop Blah]

Our first offer being £750 does not equate to us putting that value on Smith though does it?

It's just what we thought we'd throw into the hat as our opening offer.

[Deathy]

Our first offer being £750 does not equate to us putting that value on Smith though does it?

It's just what we thought we'd throw into the hat as our opening offer.

£750 was taking the piss a lot. I now understand why Russo has been an awkward kunt.

[IMAMATEOFJOVSKY]

Our first offer being £750 does not equate to us putting that value on Smith though does it?

It's just what we thought we'd throw into the hat as our opening offer.

£750 was taking the piss a lot. I now understand why Russo has been an awkward kunt.

Totally agree Deathy - we've created our own problems here - they knew he was worth more than the "derisory" offer they had made - hes a proven goalscorer and his assists are numerable as well - its also demeaning to Smith himself to think that a club values him far less than his pitch value is worth - I guess its the Reading way

[Deathy]

£750

[Huntley & Palmer]

You two really are clueless, it's not exactly hard to work out that £750k is around the amount of money left for Watford to pay out on Tommy Smith's contract until summer next year. It is not beyond the realms of fantasy that BR knew this and hence the offer being made. Chairman gets the hump that their ex manager has basically goosed their prize asset and sparked a bidding row over him, they take offence to the fact that we have not offered more than his actual monetary worth. Sheff U get wind and try and sign him outright without the need for negotiation, now that is a stupid move by the way.

Tommy Smith refuses to head North for the last move in his career due to his kids being in school and wanting to be able to commute to his new club. RFC then keep testing the water with bids to see if Watford will fold, player gets increasingly fed up with the whole wait and puts pressure on chairman to sell him. We end up paying the amount we probably expected Watford to charge us anyway, it's not often you get a player for less than the club wants to sell them for unless the player is really kicking up a stink.

[IMAMATEOFJOVSKY]

You two really are clueless, it's not exactly hard to work out that £750k is around the amount of money left for Watford to pay out on Tommy Smith's contract until summer next year. It is not beyond the realms of fantasy that BR knew this and hence the offer being made. Chairman gets the hump that their ex manager has basically goosed their prize asset and sparked a bidding row over him, they take offence to the fact that we have not offered more than his actual monetary worth. Sheff U get wind and try and sign him outright without the need for negotiation, now that is a stupid move by the way.

Tommy Smith refuses to head North for the last move in his career due to his kids being in school and wanting to be able to commute to his new club. RFC then keep testing the water with bids to see if Watford will fold, player gets increasingly fed up with the whole wait and puts pressure on chairman to sell him. We end up paying the amount we probably expected Watford to charge us anyway, it's not often you get a player for less than the club wants to sell them for unless the player is really kicking up a stink.

So are you now saying we have been fleeced because we have paid twice what Smiths contract value is worth then? So we oxf*rd up whichever way you look at it!

[Dirk Gently]

Certainly, last January (i.e. when his contract had another 6 months to run) BR turned down a bid of £1.6 form Cardiff for Smith.

BR is convinced that Smith wants to join him here - Smith has also turned down moves to Wolves & Sheffield Utd (which would have been better for him, financially) becaue he wants to work with BR again.

[Wycombe Royal]

So are you now saying we have been fleeced because we have paid twice what Smiths contract value is worth then? So we oxf*rd up whichever way you look at it!

Transfer prices don't equal what a players current contract is worth.

[Royal Rother]

If it hadn't become so obvious that we needed him we may well have got our man for less, but neither Rodgers nor Madejski could afford NOT to get him in the end and Watford knew that so played harder ball than they might otherwise have done.

Fair play to them.

We win, we get our man. (Presumably.)

They win, they get the big fee.

Everyone's happy.

Except Reading FC supporters of course who will look for the big negative.

how can you say its a WIN WIN ???-

Can you not read?

Win for us because we get the bloke we want / need.

Win for them because they held out and got the big fee.

If we DON'T get him because the delay in upping the offer lets in Newcastle (post sale of Duff) then you'll have a point....

[Deathy]

You two really are clueless

Jesus Christ. Hoop Blah didn't have a K at the end.

[Agent Balti]

So are you now saying we have been fleeced because we have paid twice what Smiths contract value is worth then? So we oxf*rd up whichever way you look at it!

Transfer prices don't equal what a players current contract is worth.

But they should when it comes to less than a year left on their current deal. If you're talking 3 years plus on a contract, then I'd agree.

£1.8m for less than a year on a deal is far, far too much. I don't blame the club for going in at £750k. £1.8m is just a magic figure Watford have conjured up from nowhere, it bears no relation to what the player is worth as he's worth nothing come July 2010.

[Huntley & Palmer]

You two really are clueless, it's not exactly hard to work out that £750k is around the amount of money left for Watford to pay out on Tommy Smith's contract until summer next year. It is not beyond the realms of fantasy that BR knew this and hence the offer being made. Chairman gets the hump that their ex manager has basically goosed their prize asset and sparked a bidding row over him, they take offence to the fact that we have not offered more than his actual monetary worth. Sheff U get wind and try and sign him outright without the need for negotiation, now that is a stupid move by the way.

Tommy Smith refuses to head North for the last move in his career due to his kids being in school and wanting to be able to commute to his new club. RFC then keep testing the water with bids to see if Watford will fold, player gets increasingly fed up with the whole wait and puts pressure on chairman to sell him. We end up paying the amount we probably expected Watford to charge us anyway, it's not often you get a player for less than the club wants to sell them for unless the player is really kicking up a stink.

So are you now saying we have been fleeced because we have paid twice what Smiths contract value is worth then? So we oxf*rd up whichever way you look at it!

Can you not read? I said that is the amount probably left on his contract, no club in their right mind is going to take a minimum amount for a player unless they want rid quickly. No-one is getting fleeced here, we knew how much we were willing to pay and were just trying to get him cheaper than that value. It's how all transfers are done

[Wycombe Royal]

So are you now saying we have been fleeced because we have paid twice what Smiths contract value is worth then? So we oxf*rd up whichever way you look at it!

Transfer prices don't equal what a players current contract is worth.

But they should when it comes to less than a year left on their current deal. If you're talking 3 years plus on a contract, then I'd agree.

£1.8m for less than a year on a deal is far, far too much. I don't blame the club for going in at £750k. £1.8m is just a magic figure Watford have conjured up from nowhere, it bears no relation to what the player is worth as he's worth nothing come July 2010.

THat is absolute crap. There is no formula to working out how much a player is worth. Should we have let Sidwell go for around £500k just after we had been promoted? His wages were certainly less that what Tommy Smith is on now.

Or was it more beneficial for us to keep hold of him for a season knowing that he would leave for nothing the following summer? Now if we had received a huge bid for then it may have been better to sell.

Watford don't really want to lose Smith so whay should they accept a fee that only represents compensation based on his remaining contract?