The real big cock-ups

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Ian Royal » 31 Aug 2013 23:19

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Arnie_Pie Your understanding of the football transfer market is so deluded it is unreal.


Why? Explain yourself.

Have you ever tried to explain to someone who believes in Intelligent Design that they're wrong and that Evolution is a fact? Because that's basically what trying to explain to you why most people think you're a nutter with no real appreciation of transfer activity and the financial running of the club is going to be like. So it's easier just to take the piss out of you and be rude.

You sit there, banging on about how you're a true Reading fan trying to talk sense and have sensible discussions. And yet you're one of the posters who's been in about the fewest actual sensible discussions there have been. Most of us manage it every now and again when we can be bothered. But you just sit there prattling on the same deluded nonsense, to yourself and no one else, over and over again.

So no, I'm not going to explain why it's a load of nonsense. Partly because it's been done before and made no difference. And partly because if someone looks at the sky and starts arguing it's yellow, there is no point in wasting your time explaining why they are wrong.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by JS28ZoD » 31 Aug 2013 23:20

Before the current regimes time but when Gary Cahill was made available by Villa I was devastated to hear that we didn't pursue him. Given we were struggling in the prem and Sonko had suffered a bad injury I thought he would be an ideal signing, but he ended going to fellow relegation strugglers Bolton, they ended up staying up, we went down and Cahill's carer has gone from strength to strength.

I was disappointed we weren't in for Kilgallon this summer, but given our CB's it wasn't a surprise so I'm not too disappointed.

With regards to what's going on now, I just don't think there is that many realistic signings with any quality out there worth spending on. Personally I'd like us to sign Carlton Cole as I think he'd be the final piece of the jigsaw for us but we'll see.

I have faith in Adkins and the Owner and am enjoying what has been one of the best transfer windows I can remember and what is definitely going to be an exciting season.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by NewCorkSeth » 31 Aug 2013 23:34

FridaysGhost Rhodes could have been ours for 8M - does anyone think he is worth less now?
Whittingham would have been about 1.5M, Zaha, before the Man Utd interest was 6-8M, what is he worth now?
Kondogbia was 5M or less (I forget) and I could go on ad infinitum.

Player after player who we could have bought, who may have made a great difference to our Premiership season, and yet each is worth much more now than then.

WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT ALL OF THEM, BEEN RELEGATED AND STILL MADE A PROFIT ON THEM!

Who should we have bought since the takeover and, to the lackwits (Ian Royal, Melonhead, Sandman etc.), why shouldn't we have bought them? Make a case!

Could you kindly expand on this.

If we spent 20 million roughly on these players (lets not forget wages) which is generous, then how would we have made a profit? Can you write out the math to prove this? ~Also what about the holes in our squad we had last season that these signings dont fill? like a right and left back.

And why would Cardiff, who came under new ownership, sell a key squad member for only 1.5 million?

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Barry the bird boggler » 01 Sep 2013 00:37

JS28ZoD Before the current regimes time but when Gary Cahill was made available by Villa I was devastated to hear that we didn't pursue him. Given we were struggling in the prem and Sonko had suffered a bad injury I thought he would be an ideal signing, but he ended going to fellow relegation strugglers Bolton, they ended up staying up, we went down and Cahill's carer has gone from strength to strength.

I was disappointed we weren't in for Kilgallon this summer, but given our CB's it wasn't a surprise so I'm not too disappointed.

With regards to what's going on now, I just don't think there is that many realistic signings with any quality out there worth spending on. Personally I'd like us to sign Carlton Cole as I think he'd be the final piece of the jigsaw for us but we'll see.

I have faith in Adkins and the Owner and am enjoying what has been one of the best transfer windows I can remember and what is definitely going to be an exciting season.


^ This. Cahill and Gary ONeill and Matthew Taylor all available at the time and all players we should have been bringing in but no we went after pointless luxury players like Matejovsky and Kebe - no doubt because they were cheap and we had to be seen to do something :roll:

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Ian Royal » 01 Sep 2013 01:19

Lets not try and pretend that the massive mistakes that Coppell has acknowledged he made in not bringing in those particular players in one specific season are symptomatic of the way the club is run in general. That's paradoxical.

The fact is those deals were there to be done and Coppell chose not to do them so as not to disrupt the squad. Not because of cost. Therefore cost was not the problem, so you can't use them as some sort of evidential stick to beat McDermott or Adkins or Madjeski or Zingaravich with about not spending more on signings in other transfer windows, or not signing the particular players you think we should have done.


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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 01 Sep 2013 02:05

Except we dont kjow what they would have cost, do we?

did we not agree terms with Ince, but offer 6mill, they wanted 8mill? I seem to recall that, and thinklng we should have paid it.
then to appease fans mcd was suppossed to have goje for siggy, a player we could jot afford the wages for, imho.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by P!ssed Off » 01 Sep 2013 03:42

FridaysGhost Hey, it is a good thread. The dimblebys are out in force and yet none of them can explain why strengthening the team AND making a profit is bad.

For the simple-minded:- This thread is for reasons not silly abuse. Try again!




Even the Dimblebys are laughing at you, and they try to remain neutral during debates.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by sandman » 01 Sep 2013 04:32

FridaysGhost Since Anton took over, RFC have had the chance to buy some very good players. In virtually every case we would not pay what they were worth. Furthermore, anyone who keeps reminding the site of what we have missed gets wild abuse from the 'little Reading' forum.

This thread is for you to say who we should have spent our money on - and for the doombrains to actually tell us why not!

Rhodes could have been ours for 8M - does anyone think he is worth less now?
Whittingham would have been about 1.5M, Zaha, before the Man Utd interest was 6-8M, what is he worth now?
Kondogbia was 5M or less (I forget) and I could go on ad infinitum.

Player after player who we could have bought, who may have made a great difference to our Premiership season, and yet each is worth much more now than then.

WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT ALL OF THEM, BEEN RELEGATED AND STILL MADE A PROFIT ON THEM!

We could now try for Vaz Te - or are we too small a club to be ambitious?

Who should we have bought since the takeover and, to the lackwits (Ian Royal, Melonhead, Sandman etc.), why shouldn't we have bought them? Make a case!


Hey Siege I'm with you innit. Why you gotta be dissing me Blud?

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Big Ern » 01 Sep 2013 05:44

FridaysGhost , Zaha, before the Man Utd interest was 6-8M, what is he worth now?


WE COULD HAVE BOUGHT ALL OF THEM, BEEN RELEGATED AND STILL MADE A PROFIT ON THEM!

We could now try for Vaz Te - or are we too small a club to be ambitious?

Make a case!



OK. You prattle on about Zaha saying we could have signed him, the fact is.. No we couldn't as he did not want to speak to us.

I know for a fact we were talking to Palace about the fee, but those negotiations stopped the moment the player stated he would not be willing to join us under and circumstances.

Your simpleton views on transfer are all very cute, but in the real world it is not that simple.


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Re: The real big cock-ups

by exileinleeds » 01 Sep 2013 17:51

Tell you one really big cock up. Chelsea. Spent £50 MILLION on Torres- a proven quality striker from Liverpool. They knew they were paying over the odds- but judged it worth it.

That went well didn't it? How much is he worth now? He didn't suddenly become a shit talentless player just because he joined a shit club- it was not the right team for him at that time.

Anyone of those proposed players- as talented as they are, may never settled into our team. Then they might just as easily been expensive flops as potential money spinners.

Didn't somebody like Norwich or West Ham spend a fortune on a top name player a couple of seasons ago- only for him to pick up a broken leg in the first game?

Football, and football transfers do not always go according to plan. Investments can go down as well as up.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by mikey0406 » 01 Sep 2013 18:15

I go back to a previous argument... It is Anton's club let he spend what he wants. Do you think QPR fans were reacting in this way when we beat them to the free signing of Wayne Bridge?? Lol some fans on here are very fickle. I am happy to do things the Reading way... What gives us the right to say we are above any teaming this division??

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Royalclapper » 01 Sep 2013 19:04

In all fairness to the OP, anyone who says that they wouldn't want Jordan Rhodes as our main striker at this time are talking as much shyte as the one they're having a pop at.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Ian Royal » 01 Sep 2013 19:13

Royalclapper In all fairness to the OP, anyone who says that they wouldn't want Jordan Rhodes as our main striker at this time are talking as much shyte as the one they're having a pop at.

Who said they wouldn't want him here? The question is whether he's worth what it would take to get him and whether we can justifiably afford him. The answer to both of those is pretty much a big no.


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Re: The real big cock-ups

by NewCorkSeth » 01 Sep 2013 19:52

Ian Royal The fact is those deals were there to be done and Coppell chose not to do them so as not to disrupt the squad. Not because of cost. Therefore cost was not the problem, so you can't use them as some sort of evidential stick to beat McDermott or Adkins or MADJESKI or Zingaravich with about not spending more on signings in other transfer windows, or not signing the particular players you think we should have done.

:O How could you?

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Royalclapper » 01 Sep 2013 19:55

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Royalclapper In all fairness to the OP, anyone who says that they wouldn't want Jordan Rhodes as our main striker at this time are talking as much shyte as the one they're having a pop at.

Who said they wouldn't want him here? The question is whether he's worth what it would take to get him and whether we can justifiably afford him. The answer to both of those is pretty much a big no.


So instead of paying an initial £8m fee and then wages for a solid, reliable and talented British goal scorer who will never let anyone down we did what? Paid, and still are paying big wages for a Russian (who are notoriously unreliable) stroppy striker and then paid £1.2m for a flaky Sheff Utd player. The OP is right, he's worth every penny that Blackburn paid and then some while we are lumbered with 2 no-hopers who might get swapped for a used Xbox + 6 games.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by NewCorkSeth » 01 Sep 2013 19:58

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So instead of paying an initial £8m fee and then wages for a solid, reliable and talented British goal scorer who will never let anyone down we did what? Paid, and still are paying big wages for a Russian (who are notoriously unreliable) stroppy striker and then paid £1.2m for a flaky Sheff Utd player. The OP is right, he's worth every penny that Blackburn paid and then some while we are lumbered with 2 no-hopers who might get swapped for a used Xbox + 6 games.

He hasnt payed off his investment yet.. They took a risk and spent big to get promoted and all those goals didn't get them up! If they don't go up this season clubs will come calling and he will more than likely be sold for a much lower price than what they spent! Factor in wages and they would have made a considerable loss. All theoretical of course.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by SCIAG » 01 Sep 2013 20:23

Royalclapper Russian (who are notoriously unreliable)

And we paid £2m+ for a black defender, even though everyone knows they're not smart enough for that :roll:

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Royalclapper » 01 Sep 2013 20:31

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Royalclapper Russian (who are notoriously unreliable)

And we paid £2m+ for a black defender, even though everyone knows they're not smart enough for that :roll:


Wtf? Talking about Russian football players who are signed by Premier League teams - which one's that have signed for clubs here haven't been unreliable?

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Ian Royal » 01 Sep 2013 23:15

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Royalclapper In all fairness to the OP, anyone who says that they wouldn't want Jordan Rhodes as our main striker at this time are talking as much shyte as the one they're having a pop at.

Who said they wouldn't want him here? The question is whether he's worth what it would take to get him and whether we can justifiably afford him. The answer to both of those is pretty much a big no.


So instead of paying an initial £8m fee and then wages for a solid, reliable and talented British goal scorer who will never let anyone down we did what? Paid, and still are paying big wages for a Russian (who are notoriously unreliable) stroppy striker and then paid £1.2m for a flaky Sheff Utd player. The OP is right, he's worth every penny that Blackburn paid and then some while we are lumbered with 2 no-hopers who might get swapped for a used Xbox + 6 games.

Wigan don't seem to think so.

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Re: The real big cock-ups

by Ian Royal » 01 Sep 2013 23:17

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Royalclapper Russian (who are notoriously unreliable)

And we paid £2m+ for a black defender, even though everyone knows they're not smart enough for that :roll:


Wtf? Talking about Russian football players who are signed by Premier League teams - which one's that have signed for clubs here haven't been unreliable?

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