January Window

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Swift is better than what the likes of Fulham, Bournemouth and West Brom have in their squad for sure, if not starting. If Fulham were to lose Carvalho, then you'd imagine Swift would be an ideal replacement and probably an upgrade all things considered. His wages are on the high side but nothing that they couldn't afford given their parachute payments and is probably about average in their squad anyway.

[Hound]

So Bournemouth potentially signing Cantwell and Nat Phillips on loan; plus Kieffer Moore for 3.5m

Good to see those parachute payments balancing things up, as I assume it’s not being funded via their 10k attendances

[Stranded]

Twitter made up bollocks but allegedly we are going to send Drinkwater back and bring in Luka Milivojevic instead.

Would be quite happy with that, so it's naturally bollocks.

[morganb]

Twitter made up bollocks but allegedly we are going to send Drinkwater back and bring in Luka Milivojevic instead.

Would be quite happy with that, so it's naturally bollocks.

Something similar about Milivojevic was briefly on Twitter over the weekend but without the bit about returning Drinkwater, apparently it was dependent on Palace getting Van De Beek who now looks like he's off to Everton so probably won't happen now.

[windermereROYAL]

So Bournemouth potentially signing Cantwell and Nat Phillips on loan; plus Kieffer Moore for 3.5m

Good to see those parachute payments balancing things up, as I assume it’s not being funded via their 10k attendances

Fecking spitting blood on this. the teams that come down can spend what they like for 3 years but teams already there can`t spend sod all. fairness eh.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

So Bournemouth potentially signing Cantwell and Nat Phillips on loan; plus Kieffer Moore for 3.5m

Good to see those parachute payments balancing things up, as I assume it’s not being funded via their 10k attendances

Fecking spitting blood on this. the teams that come down can spend what they like for 3 years but teams already there can`t spend sod all. fairness eh.

I've said it plenty of times before but the EFL and pundits lament clubs for "gambling" to reach the Premier League by overspending (ourselves, Sheff Wednesday, Derby and others to follow suit no doubt) but yet they basically give relegated teams a 3 year gamble by saying, "here's money, spend it to get back up or face the consequences".

Ironically, both Stoke and Boro look likely candidates for EFL investigation, likely for breaching Profit & Sustainability regulations, both have come down from the PL, both have now lost out on parachute payments due to being down for so long. Swansea might not suffer the same fate, but have tumbled backwards this season due to them losing parachute payments and having lost players like Ayew who were on massive wages for this league and probably still have others that were on the books when they were in the PL, such as Matt Grimes, who are probably earning top Championship/lower PL wages despite being a bottom half Championship side.

It can absolutely cripples clubs if you do not go up within 3 seasons. Although Boro and Stoke are sniffing around the play offs places this season, if neither go up this season I can't see them getting close next season depending on EFL sanctions next season and with Swansea continuing to cost-cut I can't see them getting near for another 5 years unless they manage to turn it around quickly.

[Stranded]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment re parachute payments and their impacts - to be fair to Bournemouth since relegation they have made 120m in transfers and purchased around 30m worth of new players - so approx 90m up in transfer spending.

Wages will naturally be unsustainably high but even without the parachutes they could well afford this level of spending for a year or two.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment re parachute payments and their impacts - to be fair to Bournemouth since relegation they have made 120m in transfers and purchased around 30m worth of new players - so approx 90m up in transfer spending.

Wages will naturally be unsustainably high but even without the parachutes they could well afford this level of spending for a year or two.

I'm sure I read from The Athletic in the summer, after Bournemouth lost to Brentford in the play-off semi final last season, that the club "needed" to be promoted back to the Premier League this season. It had something to do with the owners funding I think.

On another note, Chancel Mbemba has been spotted in John Lewis. Coincidence?

[Dixie Norm]

On another note, Chancel Mbemba has been spotted in John Lewis. Coincidence?

What department?

[Sutekh]

On another note, Chancel Mbemba has been spotted in John Lewis. Coincidence?

What department?

[morganb]

On another note, Chancel Mbemba has been spotted in John Lewis. Coincidence?

What department?

The departure lounge.


Guess you are referring to this on Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/yeIlowcoat/s ... 5128736770

Don't think that's the ceiling of John 'Heelas' Lewis, looks like an airport to me (as in his mate met Mbemba but not today and not in Reading)

[Sutekh]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment re parachute payments and their impacts - to be fair to Bournemouth since relegation they have made 120m in transfers and purchased around 30m worth of new players - so approx 90m up in transfer spending.

Wages will naturally be unsustainably high but even without the parachutes they could well afford this level of spending for a year or two.

All the same weren't they using the same approach to get promoted in the first place?

Said it before that parachute payments in any division should be scrapped and it should be made compulsory by the authorities that every player contract contains clauses that stipulate specific percentage wage reductions if a club is relegated.

[Hound]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment re parachute payments and their impacts - to be fair to Bournemouth since relegation they have made 120m in transfers and purchased around 30m worth of new players - so approx 90m up in transfer spending.

Wages will naturally be unsustainably high but even without the parachutes they could well afford this level of spending for a year or two.

though didnt they spend about 120m net in transfers in the seasons before they went down? They had huge losses in the prem. honestly don't know how this feeds into FFP though

see they've signed Woodman from Newcastle on loan as well.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment re parachute payments and their impacts - to be fair to Bournemouth since relegation they have made 120m in transfers and purchased around 30m worth of new players - so approx 90m up in transfer spending.

Wages will naturally be unsustainably high but even without the parachutes they could well afford this level of spending for a year or two.

All the same weren't they using the same approach to get promoted in the first place?

Said it before that parachute payments in any division should be scrapped and it should be made compulsory by the authorities that every player contract contains clauses that stipulate specific percentage wage reductions if a club is relegated.

The EFL are adamant that parachute payments stop clubs from going bust, however, as you say, providing release clauses/wage drop clauses were mandated in every contract a) the wage bill would be significantly reduced and b) players wouldn't get offered as much money in the PL either, so it would all have a knock on effect.

Another alternative could be that parachute payment money should be excluded from calculating Profit & Sustainability losses during any 3 year period.

[Stranded]

Whilst I agree with the sentiment re parachute payments and their impacts - to be fair to Bournemouth since relegation they have made 120m in transfers and purchased around 30m worth of new players - so approx 90m up in transfer spending.

Wages will naturally be unsustainably high but even without the parachutes they could well afford this level of spending for a year or two.

All the same weren't they using the same approach to get promoted in the first place?

Said it before that parachute payments in any division should be scrapped and it should be made compulsory by the authorities that every player contract contains clauses that stipulate specific percentage wage reductions if a club is relegated.

The EFL are adamant that parachute payments stop clubs from going bust, however, as you say, providing release clauses/wage drop clauses were mandated in every contract a) the wage bill would be significantly reduced and b) players wouldn't get offered as much money in the PL either, so it would all have a knock on effect.

Another alternative could be that parachute payment money should be excluded from calculating Profit & Sustainability losses during any 3 year period.

Yes they probably do help clubs stop going pop but only those that get them - the issue is they, at least tempt, other clubs to overspend to match the clubs with the payments.

Could they maybe tweak them to say that a payment is a max of X and can only be used to cover wages of existing players - any new signings would need to be financed in line with other clubs in the division.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

All the same weren't they using the same approach to get promoted in the first place?

Said it before that parachute payments in any division should be scrapped and it should be made compulsory by the authorities that every player contract contains clauses that stipulate specific percentage wage reductions if a club is relegated.

The EFL are adamant that parachute payments stop clubs from going bust, however, as you say, providing release clauses/wage drop clauses were mandated in every contract a) the wage bill would be significantly reduced and b) players wouldn't get offered as much money in the PL either, so it would all have a knock on effect.

Another alternative could be that parachute payment money should be excluded from calculating Profit & Sustainability losses during any 3 year period.

Yes they probably do help clubs stop going pop but only those that get them - the issue is they, at least tempt, other clubs to overspend to match the clubs with the payments.

Could they maybe tweak them to say that a payment is a max of X and can only be used to cover wages of existing players - any new signings would need to be financed in line with other clubs in the division.

Ourselves, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday and now Bristol City have fallen into that trap. We have a justifiable argument, what's "fair" about a club receiving payment for not being good enough in their division and we are supposed to compete with them.

[morganb]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheTilehurst ... 5734041605

Bournemouth are thrilled to announce the signing of Nat Phillips on loan until the end of the season.

Surely shuts the door on any lingering hopes that #ReadingFC had of signing Rhys Williams on loan.

Liverpool wanted to keep Phillips or Williams as fifth choice centre-back and the former has now left.

[windermereROYAL]

Another deadline day with sod all happening.

[Hendo]

Another deadline day with sod all happening.

What were you expecting, exactly? Given a) our current situation and b) our Winter Deadline Day activities of the past.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheTilehurstEnd/status/1488187265734041605

Bournemouth are thrilled to announce the signing of Nat Phillips on loan until the end of the season.

Surely shuts the door on any lingering hopes that #ReadingFC had of signing Rhys Williams on loan.

Liverpool wanted to keep Phillips or Williams as fifth choice centre-back and the former has now left.

To be perfectly honest, I'm actually quite glad we haven't signed him. Our defensive issues are not going to go away with a teenage centre back who has, what, 20 first team appearances to his name?

The names that have been linked over the last couple of days are players that are probably League One quality and I'd probably put Hein in that category as well. We'd be better off just shutting our doors now and saying nothing will happen, I'd prefer that over this lot.