SPECULATION - Bertrand on loan, again

[Sharpy]

missed the boat

[Scarface]

Yep - he fills in for a season and then if we do go up we have a massive hole to fill.

Way, way, better to develop our own talent.

Get promoted, then sign him next season.

[Royal Lady]

Exactamundo. I'd take Bertrand on another month's loan - if we go up, we can afford, probably, to sign him up. Missed a trick there I think. Personally, I think we have a MUCH better than Forest, so he'll be wasted there.

[Ferris]

Exactamundo. I'd take Bertrand on another month's loan - if we go up, we can afford, probably, to sign him up. Missed a trick there I think. Personally, I think we have a MUCH better than Forest, so he'll be wasted there.

Sound like you're wasted tbf

[Dirk Gently]

I'm not sure we could afford him, even in the PL.

We'd have to smash the wage structure and pay everyone else similar, so it's not just his wages.

And, of course, that presupposes that he'd be available to be sold or he'd want to join us - neither of which are certain.

[brendywendy]

Exactamundo. I'd take Bertrand on another month's loan - if we go up, we can afford, probably, to sign him up. Missed a trick there I think. Personally, I think we have a MUCH better than Forest, so he'll be wasted there.

how have we missed a trick RL?
what would be the point of playing him ahead of our own LB?

[Maguire]

Good luck Ryan - obviously you run like a homo but despite this handicap you were probably player of the season last year.

[CMRoyal]

Point is, we couldn't just wait on the off-chance an extension would fall into place. Remember, Chelsea embargoed a loan move for Ryan until they were sure Cashley Cole was staying put. MacDermott had to make a decision, and we couldn't hesitate over Williams because he'd have been off elsewhere. It's a pity to see Bertrand ending up at one of our rivals, but there's no use worrying about it - the circumstances were against us.

[Stranded]

Exactamundo. I'd take Bertrand on another month's loan - if we go up, we can afford, probably, to sign him up. Missed a trick there I think. Personally, I think we have a MUCH better than Forest, so he'll be wasted there.

But why not develop a LB of our own who could also be good enough to play in the PL by the time we get there, rather than take a chance on developing one who we may not be able to sign if/when we get there?

[Isaac Hunt]

Point is, we couldn't just wait on the off-chance an extension would fall into place. Remember, Chelsea embargoed a loan move for Ryan until they were sure Cashley Cole was staying put. MacDermott had to make a decision, and we couldn't hesitate over Williams because he'd have been off elsewhere. It's a pity to see Bertrand ending up at one of our rivals, but there's no use worrying about it - the circumstances were against us.

This.

IIRC, back in May, Ryan decided that he wanted to play in the Premier League, hopefully with Chelsea. He's obviously not been given the assurances that he'd hoped for and sees another loan deal as his best option right now. As stated already, we couldn't hang around for him.

Let's hope that Jimmy gives him the runaround when we play them!

[Hogmeister Royal]

...and of course from the player's own point of view, it's probably better experience to have played at two decent championship clubs rather than just one. Plus most (objective) pundits reckon Forest are one of the favourites this year, and are likely to finish above Reading, which would again make Forest a more attractive proposition.

So... better for the player, they'll pay higher wages, and anyway we couldn't wait for a decision so got Williams in instead.

No brainer all round really.

What it does do, taken alongside Sheff Utd's loan signing of Taraabt today (even ignoring the tabloid romour of Owen loan to Bristol C) is put into perspective the challenge we have this year. We are no longer one of the big spenders in this league, like we were two years ago, and BM will have done a tremendous job if he gets us into the play-offs this year.

[Royal Lady]

...and of course from the player's own point of view, it's probably better experience to have played at two decent championship clubs rather than just one. Plus most (objective) pundits reckon Forest are one of the favourites this year, and are likely to finish above Reading, which would again make Forest a more attractive proposition.

So... better for the player, they'll pay higher wages, and anyway we couldn't wait for a decision so got Williams in instead.

No brainer all round really.

What it does do, taken alongside Sheff Utd's loan signing of Taraabt today (even ignoring the tabloid romour of Owen loan to Bristol C) is put into perspective the challenge we have this year. We are no longer one of the big spenders in this league, like we were two years ago, and BM will have done a tremendous job if he gets us into the play-offs this year.

Taraabt has signed for QPR actually.

[Tredder]

What it does do, taken alongside Sheff Utd's loan signing of Taraabt today

LOL

[No Fixed Abode]

...and of course from the player's own point of view, it's probably better experience to have played at two decent championship clubs rather than just one. Plus most (objective) pundits reckon Forest are one of the favourites this year, and are likely to finish above Reading, which would again make Forest a more attractive proposition.

So... better for the player, they'll pay higher wages, and anyway we couldn't wait for a decision so got Williams in instead.

No brainer all round really.

What it does do, taken alongside Sheff Utd's loan signing of Taraabt today (even ignoring the tabloid romour of Owen loan to Bristol C) is put into perspective the challenge we have this year. We are no longer one of the big spenders in this league, like we were two years ago, and BM will have done a tremendous job if he gets us into the play-offs this year.

Taraabt has signed for QPR actually.

So when's he going to his 2nd decent Championship club after Forest?

[Still Hate Futcher!]

...and of course from the player's own point of view, it's probably better experience to have played at two decent championship clubs rather than just one. Plus most (objective) pundits reckon Forest are one of the favourites this year, and are likely to finish above Reading, which would again make Forest a more attractive proposition.

So... better for the player, they'll pay higher wages, and anyway we couldn't wait for a decision so got Williams in instead.

No brainer all round really.

What it does do, taken alongside Sheff Utd's loan signing of Taraabt today (even ignoring the tabloid romour of Owen loan to Bristol C) is put into perspective the challenge we have this year. We are no longer one of the big spenders in this league, like we were two years ago, and BM will have done a tremendous job if he gets us into the play-offs this year.

Taraabt has signed for QPR actually.

Neil Warnock, Paddy Kenny.......Sure as hell sounds like Sheff Utd.

[Scarface]

Exactamundo. I'd take Bertrand on another month's loan - if we go up, we can afford, probably, to sign him up. Missed a trick there I think. Personally, I think we have a MUCH better than Forest, so he'll be wasted there.

But why not develop a LB of our own who could also be good enough to play in the PL by the time we get there, rather than take a chance on developing one who we may not be able to sign if/when we get there?

I just think he's that good, that even if we have a LB we should of taken the opportunity of resigning Bertrand onloan for another year. There's no harm having cover in the squad, so Williams might of still got his chance.

[Stranded]

Perhaps, but going by the deal with Forest, it's currently only til Jan. That may have been the stumbling block as we would have then been left of having Williams not playing and only thrust in then. Which wouldn't be ideal to my mind.

[Dirk Gently]

I just think he's that good, that even if we have a LB we should of taken the opportunity of resigning Bertrand onloan for another year. There's no harm having cover in the squad, so Williams might of still got his chance.

"Dear Marcus Williams - we'd like to offer you this wonderful career-enhancing opportunity to join us. Of course, you won't get to play unless Ryan gets injured, but we have such faith in your abilities that we're keeping you as a reserve ......."

[Royals-lad14]

It seems something aint quite right there as surely he would off come back to Reading if he was happy, as obviously chelsea wanted to loan him out again. So i think there must have been somehting said to convince him not to return to us

[Dirk Gently]

What was probably said to him was "Ryan, these loan spells are all about building up your experience, and that'll be much more valuable if you get experience from different clubs, not just one."

We'd certainly not want a loan player - the club's attitude is that there are no PL loan players available who are better than our own players, and why should we be developing other teams' young players when we could be developing our own?