I suppose someone should do it...Overrated Players

[Rich@Eaststand]

You continue to write bollocks.

I've never come across anyone who overrates Marcus. His record speaks for itself. There is no diatribe required to dissect Marcus any further. He is a quality Premiership keeper who has been an excellent servent to the club.
There are not too many keepers in the Premiership that I would have above him -(Van Dar Sar, Robinson, Cech, Given, perhaps) but that's about it.

Marcus has never been overrated by anyone and deserves all the plaudits he gets.

You're wasting your typing finger if you try to justify yourself any further because you are wrong.

You'd be better off doing a vote thread and put it out to the wider audience, and then catergorically prove yourself misjudged.

Again, I am not saying that he is a bad keeper.

I think that some people seem to think that he is untouchable, can never make a mistake and can never be blamed for anything. On that basis I think that he is overrated by some people.

As I pointed out has flaws in his game but I also said he is very good in other areas. By saying he is overrated I'm not saying he is rubbish, I'm just saying that maybe is isn't as perfect as some people make out.

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree (which I'm sure many people will) - I understand where you are coming from although think you have missed the point of what I was saying.

[SpaceCruiser]

You continue to write bollocks.

I've never come across anyone who overrates Marcus. His record speaks for itself. There is no diatribe required to dissect Marcus any further. He is a quality Premiership keeper who has been an excellent servent to the club.
There are not too many keepers in the Premiership that I would have above him -(Van Dar Sar, Robinson, Cech, Given, perhaps) but that's about it.

Marcus has never been overrated by anyone and deserves all the plaudits he gets.

You're wasting your typing finger if you try to justify yourself any further because you are wrong.

You'd be better off doing a vote thread and put it out to the wider audience, and then catergorically prove yourself misjudged.

Again, I am not saying that he is a bad keeper.

I think that some people seem to think that he is untouchable, can never make a mistake and can never be blamed for anything. On that basis I think that he is overrated by some people.

As I pointed out has flaws in his game but I also said he is very good in other areas. By saying he is overrated I'm not saying he is rubbish, I'm just saying that maybe is isn't as perfect as some people make out.

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree (which I'm sure many people will) - I understand where you are coming from although think you have missed the point of what I was saying.

Maybe you're too demanding.

[Rich@Eaststand]

Maybe you're too demanding.

Do you know what Spacey, maybe I am

[Tinrib]

You continue to write bollocks.

I've never come across anyone who overrates Marcus. His record speaks for itself. There is no diatribe required to dissect Marcus any further. He is a quality Premiership keeper who has been an excellent servent to the club.
There are not too many keepers in the Premiership that I would have above him -(Van Dar Sar, Robinson, Cech, Given, perhaps) but that's about it.

Marcus has never been overrated by anyone and deserves all the plaudits he gets.

You're wasting your typing finger if you try to justify yourself any further because you are wrong.

You'd be better off doing a vote thread and put it out to the wider audience, and then catergorically prove yourself misjudged.

Again, I am not saying that he is a bad keeper.

I think that some people seem to think that he is untouchable, can never make a mistake and can never be blamed for anything. On that basis I think that he is overrated by some people.

As I pointed out has flaws in his game but I also said he is very good in other areas. By saying he is overrated I'm not saying he is rubbish, I'm just saying that maybe is isn't as perfect as some people make out.

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree (which I'm sure many people will) - I understand where you are coming from although think you have missed the point of what I was saying.

You lack a point because you are considering your opinion as true. Marcus never came to the club with any reputation. FACT. Marcus gets slated by all that see him play when he f*cks up during a match. FACT. As far as Marcus concerned there are no RTG's. FACT.

With no assumed reputation to maintain you could hardly ever call Marcus 'Overrated'. He's proved his worth time & time again.

The facts are Marcus is not overated. FACT.

There is no agreement to disagree - you are wrong in your synopsis. FACT.

[Kwacka]

I can't believe nobody's mentioned Harper!

[Alan Partridge]

I can't believe nobody's mentioned Harper!

What the Crab? Nah I don't think you can include any of the present players. Seeing as though each of them made a massive contribution in being the best team ever in the history of the second tier.

[International Royal]

Caskey came into a shit Reading team and made a big difference to it. He may not have been the super hero we imagined he would be when we signed him, but overall he was excellent for Reading at a low point in the club's recent history. If anything he took too much stick.

He was always one of those players who polarised opinion. No doubt he had one reasonable season and also that he came into a shit team.

He wasn't a midfielder that's for sure. If there is a role in a team for someone who operates in a zone 10m either side of half way, takes the dead ball situations, free kicks & penalties - can't head it, has no stamina and is like a traffic bollard when the opposition have the ball - then agreed caskey is your man!

He wasn't excellent and didn't get enough stick.

[papereyes]

Maybe you're too demanding.

Ah, the "we should accept their flaws as we support them" argument.

Also sees England out of major tournaments the moment they play someone decent.

[Rich@Eaststand]

You lack a point because you are considering your opinion as true

It's my opinion, just as you have yours.

Marcus never came to the club with any reputation.

That's true - but that doesn't make any differance.

Marcus gets slated by all that see him play when he f*cks up during a match.

That's not what I have found.

As far as Marcus concerned there are no RTG's.

Again, that's not what I have found.

With no assumed reputation to maintain you could hardly ever call Marcus 'Overrated'.

He arrived without a reputation but has build one up during his time with us, like you said with hard work. I think that the reputation he has got now is a little over the top.

He's proved his worth time & time again.

Agreed - he is a great shot stopper. But there are areas that aren't so good.

The facts are Marcus is not overated.

The fact is that Marcus is a good keeper. I would disagree with you though because I just think the hype about him is a little over the top.

There is no agreement to disagree - you are wrong in your synopsis.

I'm just stating my opinion. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just what I think.

[SpaceCruiser]

Come on, how would you compare him to Phil Whitehead? I think Hahnemann is so much better than Whitehead.

[Alan Partridge]

Come on, how would you compare him to Phil Whitehead? I think Hahnemann is so much better than Whitehead.

Whitehead was a solid lower league keeper, stuck to his line like Pete Doherty on a Friday night though. Would never move further than 10 inches for a cross. Also I love it when people say 'yeah but he's a good shot stopper' well you'd hope so, he's a goal keeper that's his job. I am yet to see a good goalkeeper who is rubbish at stopping shots!

Hahnemann is a solid keeper, had an excellent season last season, is having an indifferent start if I'm honest. Felt he could have done a bit better with a couple of goals this season and isn't quite looking his usual commanding self. Saying that he's been excellent for us and certainly not 'overrated'. Him and Shaka are by far the best two keepers in recent RFC history.

[Tinrib]

You lack a point because you are considering your opinion as true

It's my opinion, just as you have yours.

Marcus never came to the club with any reputation.

That's true - but that doesn't make any differance.

Marcus gets slated by all that see him play when he f*cks up during a match.

That's not what I have found.

As far as Marcus concerned there are no RTG's.

Again, that's not what I have found.

With no assumed reputation to maintain you could hardly ever call Marcus 'Overrated'.

He arrived without a reputation but has build one up during his time with us, like you said with hard work. I think that the reputation he has got now is a little over the top.

He's proved his worth time & time again.

Agreed - he is a great shot stopper. But there are areas that aren't so good.

The facts are Marcus is not overated.

The fact is that Marcus is a good keeper. I would disagree with you though because I just think the hype about him is a little over the top.

There is no agreement to disagree - you are wrong in your synopsis.

I'm just stating my opinion. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just what I think.

Look, you've made yourself look like a right cock. If you dont want to back down in the face of facts and say you're wrong thats fine.

But labelling a player who got us to the promised land by stating they're overated is just poor. He will be legend of RFC history in years to come, and, once you've grown up a bit and taken stock of what we, and Marcus has achived individually & collectivly then maybe your view will mature.

I suggest though you put the point out to the wider audience, and do a pole thread as you are so assured with yuor opinion. I mean what have you got to lose?

[Rich@Eaststand]

Come on, how would you compare him to Phil Whitehead? I think Hahnemann is so much better than Whitehead.

What's that got to do with it?

For the hundredth time - I'm not saying he's a rubbish keeper. He is one of the best keepers we've had.

My problem is that some fans have him up on some sort of level where he can't be touched.

When we had Shaka Hislop there was no doubting that he was a fantastic keeper. It was accepted that wasn't perfect. People criticised his ability to take crosses, communication and kicking and when he did mess up people did say so.

This doesn't seem to be the case with Marcus, if he is criticised for anything then someone always defends him. An example would be Middlesboro's second goal. Marcus was at fault for this but people were still making excuses for him, Sheffield Utd's goal was Sonko's fault even though Marcus left the near post wide open etc

My point about him being overrated is because so many people have the mind set that he can do no wrong. I just think he makes more mistakes than alot of the other players but it doesn't seem to get noticed.

He is a very good keeper but he is not as perfect as some people make out - but I guess he wouldn't be playing for us if he was!

[alad]

You lack a point because you are considering your opinion as true

It's my opinion, just as you have yours.

Marcus never came to the club with any reputation.

That's true - but that doesn't make any differance.

Marcus gets slated by all that see him play when he f*cks up during a match.

That's not what I have found.

As far as Marcus concerned there are no RTG's.

Again, that's not what I have found.

With no assumed reputation to maintain you could hardly ever call Marcus 'Overrated'.

He arrived without a reputation but has build one up during his time with us, like you said with hard work. I think that the reputation he has got now is a little over the top.

He's proved his worth time & time again.

Agreed - he is a great shot stopper. But there are areas that aren't so good.

The facts are Marcus is not overated.

The fact is that Marcus is a good keeper. I would disagree with you though because I just think the hype about him is a little over the top.

There is no agreement to disagree - you are wrong in your synopsis.

I'm just stating my opinion. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just what I think.

Look, you've made yourself look like a right cock. If you dont want to back down in the face of facts and say you're wrong thats fine.

But labelling a player who got us to the promised land by stating they're overated is just poor. He will be legend of RFC history in years to come, and, once you've grown up a bit and taken stock of what we, and Marcus has achived individually & collectivly then maybe your view will mature.

I suggest though you put the point out to the wider audience, and do a pole thread as you are so assured with yuor opinion. I mean what have you got to lose?

You've made yourself look like a cock with your refusual to accept his opinion.

Marcus is over rated in my opinion, that doesn't mean he isn't a good keeper.

[Rich@Eaststand]

Labelling a player who got us to the promised land by stating they're overated is just poor.

You seem to think that I'm saying that he is a bad player - thats not my point.

[Tinrib]

Come on, how would you compare him to Phil Whitehead? I think Hahnemann is so much better than Whitehead.

My problem is that some fans have him up on some sort of level where he can't be touched.

When we had Shaka Hislop there was no doubting that he was a fantastic keeper. It was accepted that wasn't perfect. People criticised his ability to take crosses, communication and kicking and when he did mess up people did say so.

This doesn't seem to be the case with Marcus, if he is criticised for anything then someone always defends him. An example would be Middlesboro's second goal. Marcus was at fault for this but people were still making excuses for him, Sheffield Utd's goal was Sonko's fault even though Marcus left the near post wide open etc

My point about him being overrated is because so many people have the mind set that he can do no wrong. I just think he makes more mistakes than alot of the other players but it doesn't seem to get noticed.

He is a very good keeper but he is not as perfect as some people make out - but I guess he wouldn't be playing for us if he was!

So your actually labelling Marcus 'overrated' because of what other people have said about him?

So you're telling me you don't own that view?

Jesus wept.

[Tinrib]

Labelling a player who got us to the promised land by stating they're overated is just poor.

You seem to think that I'm saying that he is a bad player - thats not my point.

No hidden meaning in what I write -i t is what it is. You labelled him Overrated, and I say you're out of order. Quite simple really.

[Rich@Eaststand]

So your actually labelling Marcus 'overrated' because of what other people have said about him?

So you're telling me you don't own that view?

Jesus wept.

What?

[AJ~]

Christ. Why is it so difficult for some to understand what overrated means?

[Tinrib]

So your actually labelling Marcus 'overrated' because of what other people have said about him?

So you're telling me you don't own that view?

Jesus wept.

What?

My problem is that some fans have him up on some sort of level where he can't be touched.


This doesn't seem to be the case with Marcus, if he is criticised for anything then someone always defends him. An example would be Middlesboro's second goal. Marcus was at fault for this but people were still making excuses for him, Sheffield Utd's goal was Sonko's fault even though Marcus left the near post wide open etc

My point about him being overrated is because so many people have the mind set that he can do no wrong. I just think he makes more mistakes than alot of the other players but it doesn't seem to get noticed.

He is a very good keeper but he is not as perfect as some people make out - but I guess he wouldn't be playing for us if he was!

So you think Marcus is overated not because YOU think he is, but becuase of what other people say?