Federici debut

[WestCoast Life]

Stack isn't up to it (Otherwise he'd have made more appearances) and Federici is inexperienced and could probably do with a month or two out on loan to a league side with the gaurantee of games.

a little harsh I think !

[Alan Partridge]

Interesting that people are saying they are worried about Federici displacing Marcus if he got injured Can I ask why? On that performance he's got to be a serious contender for the shirt, Marcus has been one of the weaker links for me this season, no where near his best yet we'd be worried if AF was needed? Not me.

That was arguably the best goalkeeping performance from a Reading keeper this season.

[Diddyroyal]

Interesting that people are saying they are worried about Federici displacing Marcus if he got injured Can I ask why? On that performance he's got to be a serious contender for the shirt, Marcus has been one of the weaker links for me this season, no where near his best yet we'd be worried if AF was needed? Not me.

That was arguably the best goalkeeping performance from a Reading keeper this season.

totally agree , he was fantastic and we can now breathe easy if ever marcus is injured,
but to properly challenge for number one shirt he needs games, which i dont think he will get too often, is Myhill out of the window now? couple of million saved?

[londinium]

Interesting that people are saying they are worried about Federici displacing Marcus if he got injured Can I ask why? On that performance he's got to be a serious contender for the shirt, Marcus has been one of the weaker links for me this season, no where near his best yet we'd be worried if AF was needed? Not me.

That was arguably the best goalkeeping performance from a Reading keeper this season.

Not at all..... Marcus has had some great games this season, along with clean sheets too.

I would put partial blame to Federici for both goals, especially the second.

Are you trying to tell me that Marcus hasn't had a game this season in which he has pulled of 3 great saves, let in two or less (of which both he could be blamed for)?

[Alan Partridge]

Interesting that people are saying they are worried about Federici displacing Marcus if he got injured Can I ask why? On that performance he's got to be a serious contender for the shirt, Marcus has been one of the weaker links for me this season, no where near his best yet we'd be worried if AF was needed? Not me.

That was arguably the best goalkeeping performance from a Reading keeper this season.

Not at all..... Marcus has had some great games this season, along with clean sheets too.

I would put partial blame to Federici for both goals, especially the second.

Are you trying to tell me that Marcus hasn't had a game this season in which he has pulled of 3 great saves, let in two or less (of which both he could be blamed for)?

Also when you consider MArcus hasn't had to play behind the back 4 that Federici did.

I ams aying Marcus hasn't been anywhere near his best form this season and has been a weaker link. also that I wouldnt' be worried about AF playing in goal if needed/or if he claims the jersey.

[londinium]

Interesting that people are saying they are worried about Federici displacing Marcus if he got injured Can I ask why? On that performance he's got to be a serious contender for the shirt, Marcus has been one of the weaker links for me this season, no where near his best yet we'd be worried if AF was needed? Not me.

That was arguably the best goalkeeping performance from a Reading keeper this season.

Not at all..... Marcus has had some great games this season, along with clean sheets too.

I would put partial blame to Federici for both goals, especially the second.

Are you trying to tell me that Marcus hasn't had a game this season in which he has pulled of 3 great saves, let in two or less (of which both he could be blamed for)?

Also when you consider MArcus hasn't had to play behind the back 4 that Federici did.

I ams aying Marcus hasn't been anywhere near his best form this season and has been a weaker link. also that I wouldnt' be worried about AF playing in goal if needed/or if he claims the jersey.

I agree with your last paragraph...but what you said was Marcus hasnt had a better game this season than Federici had last night, which is both ridiculous and wrong.

[Alan Partridge]

Interesting that people are saying they are worried about Federici displacing Marcus if he got injured Can I ask why? On that performance he's got to be a serious contender for the shirt, Marcus has been one of the weaker links for me this season, no where near his best yet we'd be worried if AF was needed? Not me.

That was arguably the best goalkeeping performance from a Reading keeper this season.

Not at all..... Marcus has had some great games this season, along with clean sheets too.

I would put partial blame to Federici for both goals, especially the second.

Are you trying to tell me that Marcus hasn't had a game this season in which he has pulled of 3 great saves, let in two or less (of which both he could be blamed for)?

Also when you consider MArcus hasn't had to play behind the back 4 that Federici did.

I ams aying Marcus hasn't been anywhere near his best form this season and has been a weaker link. also that I wouldnt' be worried about AF playing in goal if needed/or if he claims the jersey.

I agree with your last paragraph...but what you said was Marcus hasnt had a better game this season than Federici had last night, which is both ridiculous and wrong.

I said it was ARGUABLY the best performance by a Reading keeper this season, I'll stick with that, if it wasn't for AF we would be out of the cup right now.

I am struggling to think of Marcus better game than that tbh.

[londinium]

Surely if it wasnt for Lita, Long and Sodje also we would be out of the cup.

If Federici wasn't there then Marcus would be.

Good performances for Marcus...try West Ham away, Shef Utd away, Fulham away, Bolton at home and Wigan away.

In fact I cannot remember a bad game he has had. I know his kicking has been poor, but I dont remember any howlers or going home from a game thinking Marcus was our weakest link.

[Alan Partridge]

Surely if it wasnt for Lita, Long and Sodje also we would be out of the cup.

If Federici wasn't there then Marcus would be.

Good performances for Marcus...try West Ham away, Shef Utd away, Fulham away, Bolton at home and Wigan away.

In fact I cannot remember a bad game he has had. I know his kicking has been poor, but I dont remember any howlers or going home from a game thinking Marcus was our weakest link.

Sheffield Utd away, that would be when a shot at the near post went in, one other save which you would expect any half decent keeper to stop!!! I was at Fulham and barely remember Marcus having to make a save likewise West Ham. Didn't go to Wigan. I can't remember a game this season where Marcus has been forced to make 2,3 or 4 very good saves, it also helps him immensely when he hasn't got the back 4 that Federici had in front of him.

I would say Federici's performance yesterday was better than those you mentioned mate.

using your theory if Lita, Long and Sodje weren't there then Kitson, Doyle and Sonko would have been.

[londinium]

Surely if it wasnt for Lita, Long and Sodje also we would be out of the cup.

If Federici wasn't there then Marcus would be.

Good performances for Marcus...try West Ham away, Shef Utd away, Fulham away, Bolton at home and Wigan away.

In fact I cannot remember a bad game he has had. I know his kicking has been poor, but I dont remember any howlers or going home from a game thinking Marcus was our weakest link.

Sheffield Utd away, that would be when a shot at the near post went in, one other save which you would expect any half decent keeper to stop!!! I was at Fulham and barely remember Marcus having to make a save likewise West Ham. Didn't go to Wigan. I can't remember a game this season where Marcus has been forced to make 2,3 or 4 very good saves, it also helps him immensely when he hasn't got the back 4 that Federici had in front of him.

I would say Federici's performance yesterday was better than those you mentioned mate.

using your theory if Lita, Long and Sodje weren't there then Kitson, Doyle and Sonko would have been.

I think you miss the point.... the reason I posted the Lita, Long, Sodje theory is to show what a ridiculous statement it was for you to say that if Federici wasnt there then we would have lost.

As you can now obviously see, it is a plainly stupid comment you came out with.

So because Marcus has a good defence in front of him it makes Marcus crap and Federici is good because he has a crap defene in front of him????


Surely you can only judge a keeper on what he does and not what the players infront of him do.

[Alan Partridge]

Surely if it wasnt for Lita, Long and Sodje also we would be out of the cup.

If Federici wasn't there then Marcus would be.

Good performances for Marcus...try West Ham away, Shef Utd away, Fulham away, Bolton at home and Wigan away.

In fact I cannot remember a bad game he has had. I know his kicking has been poor, but I dont remember any howlers or going home from a game thinking Marcus was our weakest link.

Sheffield Utd away, that would be when a shot at the near post went in, one other save which you would expect any half decent keeper to stop!!! I was at Fulham and barely remember Marcus having to make a save likewise West Ham. Didn't go to Wigan. I can't remember a game this season where Marcus has been forced to make 2,3 or 4 very good saves, it also helps him immensely when he hasn't got the back 4 that Federici had in front of him.

I would say Federici's performance yesterday was better than those you mentioned mate.

using your theory if Lita, Long and Sodje weren't there then Kitson, Doyle and Sonko would have been.

I think you miss the point.... the reason I posted the Lita, Long, Sodje theory is to show what a ridiculous statement it was for you to say that if Federici wasnt there then we would have lost.

As you can now obviously see, it is a plainly stupid comment you came out with.

So because Marcus has a good defence in front of him it makes Marcus crap and Federici is good because he has a crap defene in front of him????


Surely you can only judge a keeper on what he does and not what the players infront of him do.

Why's it a stupid comment? Your comment was that Marcus would have saved them anyway, so I'm saying those players would have scored those chances anyway. Exactly the same - ridiuclous point. Yes we scored 3 but Federici denied Burnley 5 or 6 of their own, had they had 1 decent striker or had our goalkeeper not played so well they would have won that game.

No now your making things up, I never said Marcus was crap, he's not he's a decent keeper, who's been short of his best form. Federici had a very good game especially when you consider he had a makeshift back 4 in front of him, playing with the regular back 4 would have made his job a hell of a lot easier.


Many ways of judging a keeper, your way is one way of doing it, by that statement Federici had an excellent game, if we are looking solely at his performance, for a 1st game in professional football it was outstanding. Having a quality defense will also make a massive difference to your goalkeeper which as I said earlier it's something Federici had to deal without.

Can't believe in this whole time I haven't mentioned wheel yet.

[londinium]

Well at least we agree on one thing...he did have a brilliant game, that is not in dispute.

What i don't understand is how you can say that he had abrilliant game DESPITE a crap back four.

Surely it is easier to have a brilliant game with a crap back four...by definition you would have more to do and then more chance of making good saves, as was apparent last night. Rather than very little to do so no chance to shine.

Any case wheel wheel wheel

[Alan Partridge]

Well at least we agree on one thing...he did have a brilliant game, that is not in dispute.

What i don't understand is how you can say that he had abrilliant game DESPITE a crap back four.

Surely it is easier to have a brilliant game with a crap back four...by definition you would have more to do and then more chance of making good saves, as was apparent last night. Rather than very little to do so no chance to shine.

Any case wheel wheel wheel

Hmmm possibly, so in that way it could helped him personally. However, had he played with the normal back four and done just as steady a job we'd be praising him. So yeah it's catch 22 really.
It would help in many ways to play with a decent back four as a poor defense can at times make you look poor as a keeper. But yeah you make a valid point.

And I thought Federici was wheelie good, he spoke well after the game and managed to get the tricky shots round and round the post. He showed wheelie good invention with his distribution, only once did he alloy the opposition the chance to score. So well done Adam!

[Huntley & Palmer]

My main beef with Marcus is that he goes down in installments. He is overweight, not athletic enough and has slow reactions. Federici proved last night that cat like reflexes and a good fitness level mean you can get to balls most people expect to go in. Couple this with Marcus' poor distribution and questionable ability in the air and I think the amount of poor games this season far outweighs the good.

[Woodcote Royal]

It's a tough balancing act for managers trying to give inexperienced players a chance whilst maintaining enough cover to cope with injuries.

IMHO, no position highlights the dilemma more than goalkeeper and few managers make a better fist of it than Steve Coppell.

He needed to know if Federici was up to the task if Marcus gets injured and, whilst I tend to agree with some of the reservations above, I still believe the answer he got was, yes.

Of course, there are always risks attached to not bringing in more experienced cover but, unlike lesser managers (Pardew, for instance) Coppell realises that risks have to be taken if players are to progress and why not take those risks whilst protecting the star performers that you know you would struggle to replace?

Stack, it would appear, has gone because he wasn't good enough and if Federici's performance wasn't good enough to make his manager reconsider any imminent purchase of a new 'keeper, there's no point in him being here, either.

[londinium]

My main beef with Marcus is that he goes down in installments. He is overweight, not athletic enough and has slow reactions. Federici proved last night that cat like reflexes and a good fitness level mean you can get to balls most people expect to go in. Couple this with Marcus' poor distribution and questionable ability in the air and I think the amount of poor games this season far outweighs the good.

I agree with the majority that you have said but I can't remember any really bad games he has had this season. None have been outstanding, but none have been awful. It is normally easier to remember goalkeepers bad games as they are last line of defence. I can certianly remember bad games for Seol, Hunty, Harper, Sonk's, Shorey and even a couple of unispiring ones for Doyler. Please enlighten me to the 12/14 bad games he has had.

[Wycombe Royal]

My main beef with Marcus is that he goes down in installments. He is overweight, not athletic enough and has slow reactions. Federici proved last night that cat like reflexes and a good fitness level mean you can get to balls most people expect to go in. Couple this with Marcus' poor distribution and questionable ability in the air and I think the amount of poor games this season far outweighs the good.

I agree with the majority that you have said but I can't remember any really bad games he has had this season. None have been outstanding, but none have been awful. It is normally easier to remember goalkeepers bad games as they are last line of defence. I can certianly remember bad games for Seol, Hunty, Harper, Sonk's, Shorey and even a couple of unispiring ones for Doyler. Please enlighten me to the 12/14 bad games he has had.

He's not necessarily had bad games, however he has made crucial mistakes in matches that have led to goals being conceded, mainly from not holding on to shots. He has certainyl made more mistakes than he should have.

[londinium]

My main beef with Marcus is that he goes down in installments. He is overweight, not athletic enough and has slow reactions. Federici proved last night that cat like reflexes and a good fitness level mean you can get to balls most people expect to go in. Couple this with Marcus' poor distribution and questionable ability in the air and I think the amount of poor games this season far outweighs the good.

I agree with the majority that you have said but I can't remember any really bad games he has had this season. None have been outstanding, but none have been awful. It is normally easier to remember goalkeepers bad games as they are last line of defence. I can certianly remember bad games for Seol, Hunty, Harper, Sonk's, Shorey and even a couple of unispiring ones for Doyler. Please enlighten me to the 12/14 bad games he has had.

He's not necessarily had bad games, however he has made crucial mistakes in matches that have led to goals being conceded, mainly from not holding on to shots. He has certainyl made more mistakes than he should have.

Again... please enlighten me... Has Sonk's not mad many crucial mistakes too this season?

[Wycombe Royal]

My main beef with Marcus is that he goes down in installments. He is overweight, not athletic enough and has slow reactions. Federici proved last night that cat like reflexes and a good fitness level mean you can get to balls most people expect to go in. Couple this with Marcus' poor distribution and questionable ability in the air and I think the amount of poor games this season far outweighs the good.

I agree with the majority that you have said but I can't remember any really bad games he has had this season. None have been outstanding, but none have been awful. It is normally easier to remember goalkeepers bad games as they are last line of defence. I can certianly remember bad games for Seol, Hunty, Harper, Sonk's, Shorey and even a couple of unispiring ones for Doyler. Please enlighten me to the 12/14 bad games he has had.

He's not necessarily had bad games, however he has made crucial mistakes in matches that have led to goals being conceded, mainly from not holding on to shots. He has certainyl made more mistakes than he should have.

Again... please enlighten me... Has Sonk's not mad many crucial mistakes too this season?

Yes he has, but this thread is about Federici, and subsequently Hahneman, therefore there was no need to mention Sonko.

Let's bring Oster, Murty, Harper, etc in to it as well then as they have also made mistakes that have led to goals.

[Stranded]

My main beef with Marcus is that he goes down in installments. He is overweight, not athletic enough and has slow reactions. Federici proved last night that cat like reflexes and a good fitness level mean you can get to balls most people expect to go in. Couple this with Marcus' poor distribution and questionable ability in the air and I think the amount of poor games this season far outweighs the good.

I agree with the majority that you have said but I can't remember any really bad games he has had this season. None have been outstanding, but none have been awful. It is normally easier to remember goalkeepers bad games as they are last line of defence. I can certianly remember bad games for Seol, Hunty, Harper, Sonk's, Shorey and even a couple of unispiring ones for Doyler. Please enlighten me to the 12/14 bad games he has had.

Hahnemann has been steady but has made too many simple errors for my liking. Fortunately, he has got away with a few but other times not. He has been spilling the ball far too much for a top flight keeper and this cost us a goal against Boro and could have cost us more at Man Utd.

He's not had one game yet where I've walked away thinking he earnt us a point or a win (something I've done in the past) but I've walked away from a phew games thinking that he'd almost cost us points as have many other people.

He's not a bad keeper but is haveing a dip in form, a dip that if he'd had a decent challenger may have seen him slip out of the team. Federici has shown that he can challenge him now so I hope we will see a raise in Hahnemann's game if not I'd have no qualms about Federici getting a game.